PLEASE reconsider the ViP lock on Cormyr server

[iheardthat2]

Cormyr was clearly marketed VIP only. Opening it up to non VIP was clearly a limited-time thing.

Some might think they can get SSG to change their minds with constant tantrums in multiple threads, but that won't change the original purpose and design of the server.

 

[Lagin3]

Cormyr was clearly marketed VIP only. Opening it up to non VIP was clearly a limited-time thing.

Some might think they can get SSG to change their minds with constant tantrums in multiple threads, but that won't change the original purpose and design of the server.

Another band-wagon fanboi?

 

[Knowbody important]

Another band-wagon fanboi?

so the tally is 2-3 for, 2 dozen against.

You really can't blame VIPS for wanting a server of their own. When they gave away the free content coupons they devalued VIP by over a Thousand USD. 5 years on and they still aren't in the parking lot...let alone the ballpark of making that back up. All they needed to do was add bigger xp boosts and people would be happy. They chose not to go that route. So now its created a bit of a US vs Them mentality of some VIPs. I welcome everyone to join me in public groups...but if you don't own all the content and lack in VIP exp boosts your leveling path with me will be temporary, its a sub par experience for the premium/f2p player.

 

[Lagin3]

@Knowbody important my issue is NOT WITH the players.

 

[FVSHasBeenEvenMoreGutted]

even if the server opened to non vip (which it wont) it will die anyway since the event will end. besides a few static groups people will just move back to their original server with all the past lives and other goodies. not sure what's the deal with the huge argument and tantrums

 

[Knowbody important]

@Knowbody important my issue is NOT WITH the players.

You might not. But that's what this thread has actually drawn out. VIP vs Non VIP. A previous thread covered the need/desire for a fresh start server...while I think that's a bit of fallacy what ACTUALLY has been highlighted is the need for a VIP exclusive server. This thread, while not your intention, has served to highlight the exact opposite of your intentions for it. If they opened up transfers to Cormyr for VIPs only...the other servers are likely to suffer due to a large portion of the VIPS migrating here.

 

[rabidfox]

The simple solution is stick with what they advertised and have it go back to VIP only. If the server's population goes to low, offer free transfers off to the upcoming new 64-bit worlds and reuse the hardware for something new like a fresh start server with different rules (level gated progession where the level cap goes up every X weeks or whatever).

 

[Lagin3]

You might not. But that's what this thread has actually drawn out. VIP vs Non VIP. A previous thread covered the need/desire for a fresh start server...while I think that's a bit of fallacy what ACTUALLY has been highlighted is the need for a VIP exclusive server. This thread, while not your intention, has served to highlight the exact opposite of your intentions for it. If they opened up transfers to Cormyr for VIPs only...the other servers are likely to suffer due to a large portion of the VIPS migrating here.

such is the problem with foums. What started as a plea has turned into yet another dog fight. (yes I own part of that)
My stance has not changed. This falls directly on the shoulders of SSG and providing us woth more clarity. Notice not one dev has added anything to this or any other thread concerning Cormy's future.
The only direct answer came from Severlin in the friday stream in december, "NO Cormyr will not be an event exclusive server"

 

[Dementedleo1974]

ngl I'm fairly confident that the server will die once VIP is the only way to access it because fresh blood won't come there. If you start DDO you'll play on a non-VIP server and have no reason to move there afterwards. Once 64-bit servers are added and people transfer, there will be even less incentive, especially with how much you can get playing for free now.

I know people who come back to DDO because they can just play without VIP on certain characters. If all my characters were locked behind a VIP server when the rest is F2P, then I'd just make a character elsewhere or transfer off if I can.

For better or worse it can stay a VIP perk, but it's not a very good perk relative to everything else VIP offers.

TBH there is no reason or want at the current moment for any real new players to actually want to stay playing this game. Reasons being is 1.. intial cost to actually be able to play decently is to much. 2. Everything is outdated . Pricing, busness model , VIP etc.. The game works sometimes, even on new 64bit server there was still lag and issues with game still. 3. For the same 15$ for a sub on many other games you get most content, the pricing structures for intial startup isnt this bad. I can go on and on but we all know this already.. It took them over 2 years to just get the 64bit server setup.. They dont have the funds or man power or finances/backing to support anything more than what little we get... Myself I would have utilized the funds a bit differently each year, but thank goodness not my problem lol..
Cormyr will lose a lot of players, but look at it this way, they kept wayfinder open, look how many players were actually on there... Just keep spending your 140$ per xpac of cosmetics, 15$ on a basic sub service that is worth it. Then not to mention the moneyy you spend during year just to get boxes of junk to speed your way up leveling...
I love this game, but it is a single player AARPG with party and raid mechanics added in..

 

[Sol]

TBH there is no reason or want at the current moment for any real new players to actually want to stay playing this game. Reasons being is 1.. intial cost to actually be able to play decently is to much. 2. Everything is outdated . Pricing, busness model , VIP etc.. The game works sometimes, even on new 64bit server there was still lag and issues with game still. 3. For the same 15$ for a sub on many other games you get most content, the pricing structures for intial startup isnt this bad. I can go on and on but we all know this already.. It took them over 2 years to just get the 64bit server setup.. They dont have the funds or man power or finances/backing to support anything more than what little we get... Myself I would have utilized the funds a bit differently each year, but thank goodness not my problem lol..
Cormyr will lose a lot of players, but look at it this way, they kept wayfinder open, look how many players were actually on there... Just keep spending your 140$ per xpac of cosmetics, 15$ on a basic sub service that is worth it. Then not to mention the moneyy you spend during year just to get boxes of junk to speed your way up leveling...
I love this game, but it is a single player AARPG with party and raid mechanics added in..

I mean I agree, the only way they can break that cycle is by somehow finding ways to bring new blood in. New blood that gets invested and plays = increasing money over time in theory. Seeing a giant paywall to play even with VIP isn't doing any favors.

Not trying to get off topic, though. Cormyr as it current stands is not a great VIP perk unless they do something with Cormyr. Give it access to quests a week or two early or continue running special events on it occasionally or something (and promise that) and then it'll be a cool VIP perk. Just having an exclusive server does the opposite of have value, it just makes player bleedout there higher and more permanent.

I would not mind them devoting however long it takes to trying to improve new player on-boarding and restructuring their monetization to be more friendly yet still profitable. DDO is one of my favorite games of all time and I want to support them, but I can't because there isn't a path new players can take to actually get into it.

 

[Dementedleo1974]

such is the problem with foums. What started as a plea has turned into yet another dog fight. (yes I own part of that)
My stance has not changed. This falls directly on the shoulders of SSG and providing us woth more clarity. Notice not one dev has added anything to this or any other thread concerning Cormy's future.
The only direct answer came from Severlin in the friday stream in december, "NO Cormyr will not be an event exclusive server"

Lagin , just tbh everyone knew that it was a temp thing.. we all came over just to see how well the server was, some for event, others like myself just there for the points. I did lantern event was ok. The server still sucks same issues, but was a bit more tolerable... I played all different hours of the day and night just to make sure it wasn't just during peak time in afternoon to evening time.. It was only slightly better, STill has same loading issues, same lag areas etc.. It was almost unplayable in certain parts of game.. SO to wrap it up, we all knew that the server was just a big test.. Now we wait to see what happens after they get the data compiled. Should take them a few weeks hopefully to compile data and tweak settings optimally.

 

[Dementedleo1974]

I mean I agree, the only way they can break that cycle is by somehow finding ways to bring new blood in. New blood that gets invested and plays = increasing money over time in theory. Seeing a giant paywall to play even with VIP isn't doing any favors.

Not trying to get off topic, though. Cormyr as it current stands is not a great VIP perk unless they do something with Cormyr. Give it access to quests a week or two early or continue running special events on it occasionally or something (and promise that) and then it'll be a cool VIP perk. Just having an exclusive server does the opposite of have value, it just makes player bleedout there higher and more permanent.

I would not mind them devoting however long it takes to trying to improve new player on-boarding and restructuring their monetization to be more friendly yet still profitable. DDO is one of my favorite games of all time and I want to support them, but I can't because there isn't a path new players can take to actually get into it.

Sol , the only way that they could openly keep new players and promote the game itself is to be a true F2P game with everything opened , semi way they handle LoTR, Everything is free up to Mordor level 95... Pay Sub fee and you get everything except last 2 xpacs...
Sorry for off topic, but it leads all back into everything wrong here anyways.

 

[Lagin3]

I mean I agree, the only way they can break that cycle is by somehow finding ways to bring new blood in. New blood that gets invested and plays = increasing money over time in theory. Seeing a giant paywall to play even with VIP isn't doing any favors.

Not trying to get off topic, though. Cormyr as it current stands is not a great VIP perk unless they do something with Cormyr. Give it access to quests a week or two early or continue running special events on it occasionally or something (and promise that) and then it'll be a cool VIP perk. Just having an exclusive server does the opposite of have value, it just makes player bleedout there higher and more permanent.

I would not mind them devoting however long it takes to trying to improve new player on-boarding and restructuring their monetization to be more friendly yet still profitable. DDO is one of my favorite games of all time and I want to support them, but I can't because there isn't a path new players can take to actually get into it.

Simple logic would imply Cormyr is the perfect place to make changes. But alas as we all KNOW. SSG's track record for new players is dismal at best.

We have 5 new members this week, 2 ViP 3 F2P. It's a true litmus test to see how new players fare on Cormyr.

 

[Ungermax]

You might not. But that's what this thread has actually drawn out. VIP vs Non VIP. A previous thread covered the need/desire for a fresh start server...while I think that's a bit of fallacy what ACTUALLY has been highlighted is the need for a VIP exclusive server. This thread, while not your intention, has served to highlight the exact opposite of your intentions for it. If they opened up transfers to Cormyr for VIPs only...the other servers are likely to suffer due to a large portion of the VIPS migrating here.

This doesnt make much sense to me, because in the long run all those old servers will be dead anyway, replaced with 64 bitters, so the playerbase as a whole will be spread out among less servers. Therefor the impact of any VIP migration will be barely noticeable. Not to mention the fact that not all VIPs will move to a VIP only server. Those who make Cormyr their home server will likely be in the minority anyway.

Totally not against there being a VIP only server. But having the only VIP server NOT allowing transfers is quite possibly the stupidest idea I've ever heard.

Middle ground? Four 64 bit servers. Two for non-VIPs. One for VIPs only with transfers, and then Cormyr, in its current state, with any Hardcore like events happening there. "Oh but you are further dividing VIPs" YOU WILL NEVER HAVE ALL VIPS ON ONE SERVER.

Now I am well aware that my opinion is not the only one, if you want to go to the VIP only server and forget about your main server AND limit yourself to a portion of the playerbase that will eventually be similar in size to Wayfinder, then by all means stay on Cormyr when the other 64 bitters come. But most VIPs will not do that unless there is something on Cormyr they cant get anywhere else and even then, will likely just dip in and back out.

As such. You will have to get used to there being about 3 LFMs up across all levels (again) sooner or later if you stay on Cormyr.

 

[Eunostos]

Because of your own carelessness you want people who bought into the server gimmick to have been bait and switched even more than the free access period already did, which is selfish and unfair of you.

 

[Ungermax]

Because of your own carelessness you want people who bought into the server gimmick to have been bait and switched even more than the free access period already did, which is selfish and unfair of you.

What carelessness is that?

 

[Unk]

Were did it every say VIP only for the rest of entirety. I always thought they did VIP only at the beginning to not stress it to fast. Giving VIPs a perk was just a bonus.

 

[rabidfox]

Were did it every say VIP only for the rest of entirety. I always thought they did VIP only at the beginning to not stress it to fast. Giving VIPs a perk was just a bonus.

They didn't use word like that. But as per the FAQ:
Do I need to be a VIP in order to access Cormyr?

Yes, a subscription is required for access.

Cormyr Arrives with the Lanterns in the Mists Event!

Learn more about our new 64 bit server and the Lanterns in the Mists event!

www.ddo.com

And then there's the period of it going f2p:
Starting when the worlds reopen from our weekly maintenance on Wednesday, January 22nd until 9:00 AM Eastern (-5 GMT) on Wednesday, April 16th, 2025, players of all account types can access Cormyr. After this event ends, VIP access will once again be required in order to access the server.

Celebrate 2025 with Free Access to DDO’s Cormyr Server for a limited time!

Dungeons & Dragons Online is celebrating the new year on its 64-bit server Cormyr! Starting January 22nd through April 15th Cormyr is open to all accounts – no VIP required!

www.ddo.com

So while SSG left themselves open to changing their minds & requirements for VIP on Cormyr in the future, they were also very clear on both pages of info for how things were going to work.

 

[Ungermax]

Cormyr was clearly marketed VIP only. Opening it up to non VIP was clearly a limited-time thing.

Some might think they can get SSG to change their minds with constant tantrums in multiple threads, but that won't change the original purpose and design of the server.

The tantrums came through in the end didnt they

 

[The Narc2]

They didn't use word like that. But as per the FAQ:
Do I need to be a VIP in order to access Cormyr?

Yes, a subscription is required for access.

Cormyr Arrives with the Lanterns in the Mists Event!

Learn more about our new 64 bit server and the Lanterns in the Mists event!

www.ddo.com

And then there's the period of it going f2p:
Starting when the worlds reopen from our weekly maintenance on Wednesday, January 22nd until 9:00 AM Eastern (-5 GMT) on Wednesday, April 16th, 2025, players of all account types can access Cormyr. After this event ends, VIP access will once again be required in order to access the server.

Celebrate 2025 with Free Access to DDO’s Cormyr Server for a limited time!

Dungeons & Dragons Online is celebrating the new year on its 64-bit server Cormyr! Starting January 22nd through April 15th Cormyr is open to all accounts – no VIP required!

www.ddo.com

So while SSG left themselves open to changing their minds & requirements for VIP on Cormyr in the future, they were also very clear on both pages of info for how things were going to work.

Agree completely.

When things like this get walked back it can be an indicator about the current and future stability of the game.

Enjoy the game and play for fun while it is still here, it could all be gone in a new york minute.