QStaff build
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For a better heroic levelling experience, take at least 1 rogue level. Thief-Acrobat t1 gets +15% qstaff attack speed. Henshin gets the same bonus in their capstone.
In general, rogue will have trapping, fewer active attacks and slas (but some worthwhile tumble buffs), and probably better dps and defenses. However, the monk active attacks and slas give you a lot of options.
Rogue pros:
In general, rogue will have trapping, fewer active attacks and slas (but some worthwhile tumble buffs), and probably better dps and defenses. However, the monk active attacks and slas give you a lot of options.
Rogue pros:
- 15% attack speed at level 1 (vs 20 for HM)
- another 5% attack speed in capstone
- haste boost without spending points in VKF
- more prr and mrr
- probably more dodge (depends a lot on gear)
- more strikethrough
- more doublestrike
- fewer active attacks (if you don't like those)
- 200% melee power scaling imbue
- sneak attack
- better umd
- trapping
- 25 more melee power (5 of which is granted as an aura to your friends too)
- a *lot* more active attacks (if you like those)
- no fiddly tumble buffs
- somewhat useful slas (if you like those)
- more imbue dice, and the imbue damage is resisted a bit less often
- more debuffs
- non-scroll heals
- instakills (void strike on vorpal, quivering palm if you can get your DCs high enough)
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For my monk past life, I did a stick build QuickStick by Aldbar
9 Monk/ 6 Fighter/5 Rogue
This was my first and only mainly monk life. This was probably the first time I spent more than half of the time soloing up to 20. I did feel it to be very effective to 20, but less effective in legendary. Granted, I only had 13 past lives at the time. I might fare better now with better gear, tomes, reaper points, etc. If I was running 1-20 real quick, I might roll a d3 whether I this build, past life inquisitive build by stoner81, or ROBOT build by zvedgor. All three have trap skills and solo ability. Reaper XP still makes a big difference to me, which is why I would hesitate to pick the quick stick build again as I felt 1-20 was much smoother than 20-30.
Even if you do not follow this exact build, he has videos that talk about some of the basic tenants like AOE and spring attacks. He also talks in great detail about the different quarterstaves. I would watch some of the videos in the build post for some ideas and inspiration.
9 Monk/ 6 Fighter/5 Rogue
This was my first and only mainly monk life. This was probably the first time I spent more than half of the time soloing up to 20. I did feel it to be very effective to 20, but less effective in legendary. Granted, I only had 13 past lives at the time. I might fare better now with better gear, tomes, reaper points, etc. If I was running 1-20 real quick, I might roll a d3 whether I this build, past life inquisitive build by stoner81, or ROBOT build by zvedgor. All three have trap skills and solo ability. Reaper XP still makes a big difference to me, which is why I would hesitate to pick the quick stick build again as I felt 1-20 was much smoother than 20-30.
Even if you do not follow this exact build, he has videos that talk about some of the basic tenants like AOE and spring attacks. He also talks in great detail about the different quarterstaves. I would watch some of the videos in the build post for some ideas and inspiration.
WielderofGigantus
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Is the Druid 1 for Beguile? Because I don't see anything else that stands out besides maybe Snapping Jaws, and that doesn't seem worth it.
Garix
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I’d of thought for Shillelagh (https://ddowiki.com/page/Shillelagh) but happy to be corrected
Stoner81
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Terranigma
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The build is non-standard, but 15 Sacred Fist/3 Dark Apostate/2 Monk CHA-based Quarterstaff is one I've run several times in Heroic and Epic (primarily for Tabaxi Trailblazer and Eladrin past lives).
- High Imbue Damage - seldom resisted via Apostate's Curse using Aureon as a Diety, boosted by Radiance (which is good in Heroic), nets 12 Imbue Dice. You also deal extra Imbue-based damage on crits.
- Highly Defensive - Undead Immunities, Evasion, and high saves means you shrug off just about everything that isn't direct damage
- Indirectly good attack speed - Sacred Fist has 2 Whirlwind attacks and Quarterstaff is quite fast in the Whirlwind animation, to the point that it is on-par with the +15% Quarterstaff attack speed of Rogue Acrobat or Henshin Mystic.
- Pretty good Turn Undead - Between the Paladin levels, Dark Apostate Levels, being CHA-based, and the Dark Apostate enhancement tree having Improved Turn Undead on the way to some of the Imbue Dice you will want to pick up, you can get a very potent Turn Undead. Pairs well with Air Domain or Animal Domain to turn Elementals/Animals.
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I knw its an old post, but do you have any info on this build? I gave it a whirl in the DDO builder and did not make anything I liked, I feel like I am missing something.
droid327
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It's not my build but the idea looks simple enough on paper. And you'd even get the actual 15% qstaff speed buff in henshin now too
Figure you'd probably T5 sf tree, then splash a bunch of other trees in: at least 6 da for shade form and imbue, 4 henshin for staff speed, 8 ninja for haste boost, 4 war priest for trance
The big issue i see is the positive heal penalty from being in shroud, and having to split so many trees means you can't fit in other trees like sac def or Shintao even though you have spare ap.
Otherwise just your usual wwa stick melee spin to win kinda deal, but i think you're probably better off without the da and just going with Wis based monk after the revamp, maybe with a /2 sf splash for extra saves and wwa if you want to trade the capstone for more spins. Divine Healing in RS might not be bad now for a Wis build either now that it scales with 50% pos, since Heal is a Wis stat
Terranigma
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I didn't mean to delay replying to this, especially by a week. My apologies.
The build order is funky because you want your chosen deity to match your weapon type (Aureon for Quarterstaff, Vol if you want Single-Weapon Fighting Dagger), but there was (and may still be) a bug where you could not choose a second Deity if you took a Sacred Fist level first. The build is semi-flexible in that it works for Two-Handed Fighting (Quarterstaff), Single-Weapon Fighting (Dagger and Vistani Knife Fighter), or Two-Weapon Fighting (Handwraps). For the purpose of below the primary assumption is going Quarterstaff:
Level 1 - Dark Apostate (1)
Follower of Aureon (Quarterstaff/THF) or Follower of Vol (Dagger/SWF)
Extend Spell
Level 2 - Sacred Fist (1)
Level 3 - Dark Apostate (2)
Domain: Air
Two-Handed Fighting/Two-Weapon Fighting/Single-Weapon Fighting
Level 4 - Dark Apostate (3)
Level 5 - Sacred Fist (2)
Level 6 - Monk (1)
Precision/Power Attack; Swords to Plowshares
Level 7 - Sacred Fist (3)
Level 8 - Sacred Fist (4)
Level 9 - Sacred Fist (5)
Improved Two-Handed Fighting/Two-Weapon Fighting/Single-Weapon Fighting
Level 10 - Sacred Fist (6)
Level 11 - Sacred Fist (7)
Level 12 - Sacred Fist (8)
Critical: Bludgeoning
Level 13 - Sacred Fist (9)
Level 14 - Sacred Fist (10)
Level 15 - Sacred Fist (11)
Greater Two-Handed Fighting/Two-Weapon Fighting/Single-Weapon Fighting
Level 16 - Sacred Fist (12)
Level 17 - Monk (2)
Deflect Arrows or Dodge
Level 18 - Sacred Fist (13)
Quicken Spell
Level 19 - Sacred Fist (14)
Level 20 - Sacred Fist (15)
Notable Skills:
Concentration, Spellcraft, Point in Tumble, Point in Use Magic Device, Diplomacy if THF/TWF or Balance if SWF, Heal
Attribute Spread (assuming a +2 STR or DEX tome for related combat attack style, otherwise cannibalize 2 level-up points into STR or DEX as you level)
STR 15 (Two-Handed Fighting) or DEX 15 (Two-Weapon Fighting)
CON - 6 stat points (so often 14, but racially will be between 12 and 16)
INT - 6 stat points (so often 14, but racially will be between 12 and 16)
CHA - 8 stat points minimum, more if possible, Level-Up points go here
WIS - Any leftover that do not fit into CHA
Order of Enhancements:
12 - Dark Apostate (Imbue, Shadow Shroud, Mighty Turning, Enhanced Curse II)
6 - Warpriest (Divine Might III, Core 2)
4 - Henshin Mystic (Exemplar III)
38 - Sacred Fist (Sacred Strike V, Deft Strike, Exalted Whirlwind, Fast Movement, Action Boost: Doublestrike, Light of Hope, Light of Glory, Iron Skin, Divine Striker, Avenging Whirlwind, Violence Begets Violence)
Remaining 20 points are as the user desires, such as for Racial Enhancements, Haste Boost (Ninja Spy), Quick Strikes (Shintao), Divine Disciple (cheap Spell Power and Saves), or Warpriest Core/Tier 4 (Imbue Dice, Favored Weapon Damage, Doublestrike, Action Boost Power for Incinerating Wave)
If you went Single-Weapon Fighting via Dagger, you will instead want 24 points in Vistani Knife Fighter (Rapid Attack, Haste Boost, Deadly Blades, Celerity, Double Daggers: Single Dagger, Core 4) and only 1 point in Henshin Mystic (Core 1 for Imbue Dice)
Notable things by level
Level 2 - Dark Apostate Imbue
Level 4 - Undead Shroud, Cure/Inflict Moderate Wounds for fast self-healing, Mighty Turning and Seek Eternal Rest to bomb any undead quest
Level 5 - Warpriest Core 2 for Damage Reduction 5 (underrated at this point of the game)
Level 6 - at 4 Bonus Imbue Dice
Level 7 or 8 - Sacred Fist Whirlwind Strike, possibly obtained Primary Weapon for the rest of Heroic levels (Elemental Bloom, Nightforged Stilleto, Viktranium Handwraps)
Level 12 - Sacred Flame Empowerment, at 10 Bonus Imbue Dice
Level 15 - Incinerating Wave; +28 to +53 Melee Power depending on Weapon Type
Level 16 - 12 Bonus Imbue Dice
Once you start hitting level 5 and higher, more than half of your damage will be coming from your imbue, so items giving Radiance/Evil Spell Power have high importance. Once you hit level 12 (Sacred Flame Empowerment), a Quarterstaff with an expanded critical threat range can help (such as Elemental Bloom, Stave of the Seer, Theurgic Stave, etc). Because quarterstaves are flimsy weapons, it is worth keeping a couple others on hand, even if they are just randomly generated ones, or keep a set of handwraps as a backup (being they are immune to material damage). At level 15, your playstyle may change somewhat as Incinerating Wave can do a decent job of clearing packs of monsters for a few levels.
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Terranigma
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I clarified it to state the expected attribute to be usually 14, being the intent was to have 6 attribute points used to boost the attribute of CON from a base of 8 to 14 (or 6 to 12 for Elven races, or 10 to 16 for Dwarves/Warforged).
currently playing with 3monk/6DL/11rog STR build. I went chieftains spear to elemental bloom.
T5 Dragon lord for the roar. rest is pretty much how you want.
Probably will work just fine for a EPL but may fall off a bit.
at 20 Stout oak walking stick and then I've got Sireth at 23(old cake choice).
Very rare that I got in any sort of trouble at all in R1. I have a fair number of PLs tho. Pretty fast runner with right enhancement point spent. Traps / Self healing. Good AOE OK Single Target. Went from almost no buttons to too many buttons in the 11-16 level range.
T5 Dragon lord for the roar. rest is pretty much how you want.
Probably will work just fine for a EPL but may fall off a bit.
at 20 Stout oak walking stick and then I've got Sireth at 23(old cake choice).
Very rare that I got in any sort of trouble at all in R1. I have a fair number of PLs tho. Pretty fast runner with right enhancement point spent. Traps / Self healing. Good AOE OK Single Target. Went from almost no buttons to too many buttons in the 11-16 level range.