Save the best for last . . .

[Rage]

A fun survey, I’m super curious what others think will be the last Archetype ?

My money is on Barbarian. Because casters need something, a whole lot of something, DragonLord something to spice things up for them in the balance department.

Your thoughts?

 

[Dude]

A fun survey, I’m super curious what others think will be the last Archetype ?

My money is on Barbarian. Because casters need something, a whole lot of something, DragonLord something to spice things up for them in the balance department.

Your thoughts?

My money is on wizard because it's probably going to be easier to do something with barbarian.

 

[DBZ]

This troll bait or hmmmm

Of course barbie girls for the win

 

[Rage]

Nah, they saving the best for last . . .

 

[Terranigma]

Watch it be Rage Mage and both Barbarian and Wizard get the Archetype...

 

[Rage]

Watch it be Rage Mage and both Barbarian and Wizard get the Archetype...

 

[droid327]

Barb will be next because they're coming out with duergar, and they like to stay on theme

 

[songswrath]

I just want warlock hexblade.

 

[Alternative]

Ranged fvs

No wait, we already have that.

 

[Leesun]

Barb will be next because they're coming out with duergar, and they like to stay on theme

Barbarian doesn't really fit well with the duergar, especially by 3.5 standards. Their culture, especially as presented in both Forgotten Realms, is rigidly hierarchical, disciplined, and authoritarian.

In the FR, dwarves and duergar are both lawful, but by different means. Dwarves live in clan-based societies valuing honor, family, and guilds. The kuldjargh (battleragers) honor the Clangeddin, the dwarvish god of honor, bravery and war. The kuldjargh fit because they take these ideologies of their god to the extreme - believing that if they die, their gods will bring them back to continue fighting. This allows them to fight with abandon, fully undaunted by notions of fear.

By contrast, the duergar were slaves of the illithid. After they won their independence, they became highly militarized, forming a society with strict hierarchy. Where other dwarves tolerated the chaotic rage of the kuldjargh due to their use, the duergar rejected displays of all emotion, seeing them as weaknesses. Something instilled via psionic torture during their enslavement. Mordenkainen once mused "Consider that the duergar began as homeless outcasts, and today their fortresses are some of the most impregnable strong points in the Underdark. The question might not be if they will conquer the realm below, but when." The form of law of the duergar is one far more closely resembling devils than the form of laws of the clan-based dwarves.

In Eberron, the duergar were again the slaves of a psionic race. Their emotional flatness isn't the result of viewing emotions as weakness as with the FR duergar, but instead the result of psionic domination during their enslavement. Over generations, this flatness became more cultural defense mechanism seen in people in real life who have endured trauma - those who appear emotionless as a defense mechanism.

I am going to assume the duergar iconic hero is going out with the Out of the Abyss expansion, which takes place in the Uderdark. Given the duergar used their powers of enlarge person and invisibility to act as assassins and slave overseers during their enslavement under the illithid, I think a Daggerspell Mage would fit far more thematically than. Whilst imo it would fit best as a rogue iconic, I would not be surprised if it is a wizard archtype. Then again DDO has a history oddly-placed things, such as the traditionally fighter eldritch knight going towards wizards and sorcs.

 

[Necrodancer]

Barbarian doesn't really fit well with the duergar, especially by 3.5 standards. Their culture, especially as presented in both Forgotten Realms, is rigidly hierarchical, disciplined, and authoritarian.

In the FR, dwarves and duergar are both lawful, but by different means. Dwarves live in clan-based societies valuing honor, family, and guilds. The kuldjargh (battleragers) honor the Clangeddin, the dwarvish god of honor, bravery and war. The kuldjargh fit because they take these ideologies of their god to the extreme - believing that if they die, their gods will bring them back to continue fighting. This allows them to fight with abandon, fully undaunted by notions of fear.

By contrast, the duergar were slaves of the illithid. After they won their independence, they became highly militarized, forming a society with strict hierarchy. Where other dwarves tolerated the chaotic rage of the kuldjargh due to their use, the duergar rejected displays of all emotion, seeing them as weaknesses. Something instilled via psionic torture during their enslavement. Mordenkainen once mused "Consider that the duergar began as homeless outcasts, and today their fortresses are some of the most impregnable strong points in the Underdark. The question might not be if they will conquer the realm below, but when." The form of law of the duergar is one far more closely resembling devils than the form of laws of the clan-based dwarves.

In Eberron, the duergar were again the slaves of a psionic race. Their emotional flatness isn't the result of viewing emotions as weakness as with the FR duergar, but instead the result of psionic domination during their enslavement. Over generations, this flatness became more cultural defense mechanism seen in people in real life who have endured trauma - those who appear emotionless as a defense mechanism.

I am going to assume the duergar iconic hero is going out with the Out of the Abyss expansion, which takes place in the Uderdark. Given the duergar used their powers of enlarge person and invisibility to act as assassins and slave overseers during their enslavement under the illithid, I think a Daggerspell Mage would fit far more thematically than. Whilst imo it would fit best as a rogue iconic, I would not be surprised if it is a wizard archtype. Then again DDO has a history oddly-placed things, such as the traditionally fighter eldritch knight going towards wizards and sorcs.

Nice post but I could not find any source of eberron duergar being lawfully aligned. This is their page in eberron wiki

https://eberron.fandom.com/wiki/Duergar

and this is on eberron unlimited

http://eberronunlimited.wikidot.com/duergar and I quote

Personality: Gray dwarves have few good points aside from courage and determination. They are avaricious, shorttempered, sullen, violent, and ungrateful. Duergar nurse grudges for a lifetime and never stop counting the slights (real or imagined) they’ve received. They believe that might makes right, and they have no pity for those who are too weak to defend their property or themselves.
On the positive side, duergar believe in minding their own business (so long as other folks don’t have anything they want) and working hard to excel at their chosen crafts. No obstacle daunts a gray dwarf who has settled on a goal. Duergar may not have much loyalty to anyone other than themselves, but they never leave a job half done.

Doesn't look very lawful like

The part in bold from your quote though is because EK has been a fighter class in 5e while DDO is 3.5 based where eldritch knight are a prestige class accessed by satisfying these requisites:

- ALL martial weapons proficiency (and this can be acquired via fighter, barbarian or even paladin)
- Ability to cast 3rd level ARCANE spells (both wizards and sorcerers can do this)

What we have in DDO is akin to 5e spellsinger wizard subclass. Ironically, it would be better to completely rework EK and make it the last archetype. That being said, I still feel barbarian should go first since IF devs will be reworking magic, it's a very intensive and complicated endeavor and I'd rather it to be made properly with a fresh archetype complimenting this. Just my opinion.

 

[Leesun]

Nice post but I could not find any source of eberron duergar being lawfully aligned. This is their page in eberron wiki

https://eberron.fandom.com/wiki/Duergar

and this is on eberron unlimited

http://eberronunlimited.wikidot.com/duergar and I quote



Doesn't look very lawful like

The part in bold from your quote though is because EK has been a fighter class in 5e while DDO is 3.5 based where eldritch knight are a prestige class accessed by satisfying these requisites:

- ALL martial weapons proficiency (and this can be acquired via fighter, barbarian or even paladin)
- Ability to cast 3rd level ARCANE spells (both wizards and sorcerers can do this)

What we have in DDO is akin to 5e spellsinger wizard subclass. Ironically, it would be better to completely rework EK and make it the last archetype. That being said, I still feel barbarian should go first since IF devs will be reworking magic, it's a very intensive and complicated endeavor and I'd rather it to be made properly with a fresh archetype complimenting this. Just my opinion.

I did not elaborate upon Eberron duergar society much and instead focused more on the society of FR because most of them, Eberron duergar, are either still enslaved on, or in small refugee communities on the continent of Sarlona. Eberron has always been more lose with alignments compared to Greyhawk and the FR. It is my understanding that before their enslavement, they migrated south to avoid intra-clan fueds. After settling, they formed various guilds and communities, rapidly honing their metallurgy and stonecraft.

Your points on Eldritch Knight are more than fair. It was a misremembering on my part.