Server Transfer is an Object Lesson in why many of us don't trust SSG

[IanMoon8]

I think what's going on here (and what I am hearing from a lot of players) is that there is a HUGE fear about losing items during the migration process. Particularly with the new PACK/UNPACK commands.
~Loki

And given how poorly SSG has responded in the past(Lost your entire TR cache? Ok, here's 3 items back), our concerns are WELL JUSTIFIED.

 

[Jasparius]

For the paranoid, maybe take screenshots.

 

[Sylvado]

As I can understand the Shared bank/Crafting storage can only be transferred once, so if I transfer 2 characters into 2 different servers only 1 server will get those, right ?
But what about mounts/pets ?

Transferred each time so you can pull stuff out of shared storage pack and transfer then add stuff back to shared storage pack and transfer to a different server.

 

[Dendrix Deathblade]

You don't say? OMG is that would it would require!? How did I not realize this before I posted my comment?....

Adding a few lines of code to automatically call the pack script on the backend before transferring a toon should be about as simplistic as it gets in the coding world. That should be intern level stuff. If it's not, there are much bigger problems with the character transfer scripting and SSG should fix those anyway.

I move my 1st character (a random level 34 character who is a banking toon on my main server) to the EU server - all my account stuff moved over to there because of autopack.

In reality I want all my account stuff to be on Cormyr server which I have determined will be the real new home of all my characters

Now I am screwed.

 

[Anurakh]

I move my 1st character (a random level 34 character who is a banking toon on my main server) to the EU server - all my account stuff moved over to there because of autopack.

In reality I want all my account stuff to be on Cormyr server which I have determined will be the real new home of all my characters

Now I am screwed.

Nah. Move your stuff to Cormyr, and then move the other toons to the server you want.

You can consolidate items and characters as you wish, you just have to keep in mind the order in which you want to move them, so that the stuff associated with a specific server goes to the server you want.

1-So- prepare your toon (or toons) you want to send to Moonsea with everything they'll be carrying in their inventory. If you need extra space, use disposable characters to store more stuff.
2- Move your account stuff and main characters to Cormyr.
3- Move the character you want to send to Moonsea or other servers. You can transfer the disposable character items to the shared bank before the transfer if you have used the disposable characters.

Your account stuff will be in Cormyr, and you'll have your character(s) in Moonsea without any account support, just what's in their inventory and personal bank (and in the shared bank if you used my disposable characters trick). Just separate everything these secondary characters will need to move to Moonsea from the shared bank/crafting bank in advance.

 

[Fizban]

There must be 100 threads on the server transfer in the last two days. And every one of them is asking questions about how the process will work, timing, banks, etc. It's very clear to me that SSG needed to produce a real step-by-step guide before dropping this on the player base. Every question that has been asked should have been addressed in a guide rather than Cordovan having to answer the same questions multiple times in multiple threads. Such a proactive stance would restore some balance of trust with the player base, who has grown used to being treated as a QA resource too many times over the years. The number of times people say they'll wait a week before transferring or that they'll only send their most worthless toon over first speaks volumes about how much we trust SSG to do this right.

SSG, please listen to your player base.

I see that your post is "I can't be bothered to read the documentation SSG has posted, so I blame them for everything."

SSG has been extremely crystal clear on the process for the transfers to the new worlds. You can show a horse the water, but you can't make them drink.

 

[Mornyngstar]

There must be 100 threads on the server transfer in the last two days. And every one of them is asking questions about how the process will work, timing, banks, etc. It's very clear to me that SSG needed to produce a real step-by-step guide before dropping this on the player base. Every question that has been asked should have been addressed in a guide rather than Cordovan having to answer the same questions multiple times in multiple threads. Such a proactive stance would restore some balance of trust with the player base, who has grown used to being treated as a QA resource too many times over the years. The number of times people say they'll wait a week before transferring or that they'll only send their most worthless toon over first speaks volumes about how much we trust SSG to do this right.

SSG, please listen to your player base.

And how many people keep on saying we want info now, not later? How much of an uproar would there be if they didn't tell us anything until it was "ready" a week before transfers? In my opinion they would not have changed Oerik sever name for one thing.

 

[Bobbryan2]

And how many people keep on saying we want info now, not later? How much of an uproar would there be if they didn't tell us anything until it was "ready" a week before transfers? In my opinion they would not have changed Oerik sever name for one thing.

Which... would have functionally changed nothing, right? Who cares if there are a couple pronunciations of Oerik? Do you want to know the number of ways I've heard Argonnesson pronounced? The voice overs can't even agree.

The server name change thing is a total non-issue.

 

[Cordovan]

Just to be extremely clear, does this apply to old school chests in ship holds that are on timers? Does it apply to the modern guildship amenity chest room? Both? Sorry, I just want to make sure I understand this.

My understanding is it is everything that falls under the category of "guild chests", so presumably old school and modern. If I hear otherwise I will adjust the copy.

 

[Cordovan]

Hey Cordovan,

I've seen this asked over and over Could you please shed some light on the process on the three scenarios as below.
1. If you have say 47 characters on Orien and you want to move to say Moonsea, and have 10 characters from Sarlona how would you make that work?

2. Would you move your 47 (pack each one) then move, delete 10 characters for space and then pack your 10 on Sarlona and then those characters to Moonsea?

3. Also if you move say 40 from Orien, can you go back later and move the remaining 7? Or is it a one time thing per server? I know you might not know 100% yet.

What Might be helpful is a few scenarios that outline the process.

IE
Straight move

Pack each character, empty your auctions, mailboxes and then run the move command

Combining characters from multiple servers

Same process assuming there are character slots avail

Moving chararacters after you move your first batch

Etc.

A few of these mock moves would help clear up a lot of questions. People could just be pointed there

It isn't clear to me why you couldn't just send them all of them to Moonsea, you should be able to without issue. Each character will need to be packed prior to transfer. You can split up who you move when just like you can now. The process has not yet been announced, but will be something like a simple command you run on your characters, keep in mind your account stuff goes to the first packed, subsequent account additions go to whichever character is packed at that time.

 

[Zaszgul]

It isn't clear to me why you couldn't just send them all of them to Moonsea, you should be able to without issue. Each character will need to be packed prior to transfer. You can split up who you move when just like you can now. The process has not yet been announced, but will be something like a simple command you run on your characters, keep in mind your account stuff goes to the first packed, subsequent account additions go to whichever character is packed at that time.

Does this mean Monster Manual only transfers once? Or is that character-level stuff?

 

[Cordovan]

Does this mean Monster Manual only transfers once? Or is that character-level stuff?

The current state of your Monster Manual is packed when you first run the Pack command, then Unpacked when sent to your destination world. Further additions to the Monster Manual are captured by subsequent Pack functions and added to whatever destination world you send them to when they Unpack.

 

[LokiFrost]

The current state of your Monster Manual is packed when you first run the Pack command, then Unpacked when sent to your destination world. Further additions to the Monster Manual are captured by subsequent Pack functions and added to whatever destination world you send them to when they Unpack.

Just like you and Sev discussed on YouTube

DDO Friday at Four

 

[Hobgoblin]

The current state of your Monster Manual is packed when you first run the Pack command, then Unpacked when sent to your destination world. Further additions to the Monster Manual are captured by subsequent Pack functions and added to whatever destination world you send them to when they Unpack.

dumb question. my goblin mm is broken on orien. it works on gland. do I pack on gland first to fix this or orien?

 

[Rincewind]

The current state of your Monster Manual is packed when you first run the Pack command, then Unpacked when sent to your destination world. Further additions to the Monster Manual are captured by subsequent Pack functions and added to whatever destination world you send them to when they Unpack.

Will this fix the issues with monster manual for ppl that use a transfer before?

 

[Zaszgul]

Further additions to the Monster Manual are captured by subsequent Pack functions and added to whatever destination world you send them to when they Unpack.

Not sure I understand how "Further additions" will work.

Let's say on Cannith, my MM currently has 100 Kobold kills.
I pack char1, transfer it to Cormyr, unpack it. Monster Manual should have 100 Kobold kills.

Now, back on Cannith, I use char2 to kill 1 more Kobold.
I pack char2, transfer it to Thrane, unpack it. Does my Thrane Monster Manual have 101 Kobold Kills, or just 1?

 

[Putti]

Not sure I understand how "Further additions" will work.

Let's say on Cannith, my MM currently has 100 Kobold kills.
I pack char1, transfer it to Cormyr, unpack it. Monster Manual should have 100 Kobold kills.

Now, back on Cannith, I use char2 to kill 1 more Kobold.
I pack char2, transfer it to Thrane, unpack it. Does my Thrane Monster Manual have 101 Kobold Kills, or just 1?

And also, if your Cannith character has 100 kobold kills and your Orien character has 50 will you then have 150 kills if transferring both to Cormyr or does it only take the highest?

 

[Cordovan]

Not sure I understand how "Further additions" will work.

Let's say on Cannith, my MM currently has 100 Kobold kills.
I pack char1, transfer it to Cormyr, unpack it. Monster Manual should have 100 Kobold kills.

Now, back on Cannith, I use char2 to kill 1 more Kobold.
I pack char2, transfer it to Thrane, unpack it. Does my Thrane Monster Manual have 101 Kobold Kills, or just 1?

101. When char2 transfers to Thrane and unpacks the additional kobold kill will be added to your Thrane total.

 

[Cordovan]

And also, if your Cannith character has 100 kobold kills and your Orien character has 50 will you then have 150 kills if transferring both to Cormyr or does it only take the highest?

Some of the finer details of the process will be made more clear prior to transfer, but the plan is nothing is lost, nothing is duplicated, and everything works as expected. So, in this case, my expectation would be that the furthest along the track is where you'd end up, with progress made added. So, assuming that the cumulative kills across your various characters on each game world adds to the thing normally, then unpacking would add to the thing.

 

[Ying]

The Chill of Ravenloft pre-release status is a perfect example why players don't trust SSG:

* There's no grace period for losing racial completionist feat like there was in previous expansion preleases.
* No fixes for bugs identified during Lam Preview 2 were included in today's patch.
* The +1 universal stat tome doesn't work, and wasn't available to test on Lamannia.
* Wood elves are all screwed up, and have Dhampir traits.

Yet players are supposed to trust that the brand-new-and-never-tested-by-players 64-bit server xfers will magically work with minimum problems.

Press (X) to doubt.