Should you join an LFM farm in MD for a rare you also want?

Should you join an LFM farm in MD for a rare you also want?

  • Yes

    Votes: 30 44.8%
  • Only if you tell leader you also want rare and ask if you can join.

    Votes: 23 34.3%
  • No

    Votes: 14 20.9%

  • Total voters
    67

Tyrande

Well-known member
Why not join? Since anything in the chest under your character's name is still there for your character, nothing can dispute that. If it drops multiples of them great. If not, tell the leader that your character will assist until tired...

That purple Worm in the wilderness on legendary normal is harder than some bosses on r10 quests or doom reapers.
 

Incompetent

Well-known member
no one has any right to say where your loot goes or not ,except you. If a player has a farm lfm up, it should just mean they are running something multiple times, it does not give them any privilege over someone elses chests. If they think it does, they are in the wrong. Period.
I agree with this 100%.

Any loot your character generates when opening a chest is yours to do with as you see fit. If you decide to keep it, great, if you pass it, great, if you put it up for roll, great. Its your loot. Do with it as you see fit.
 
If the lfm says, pike and pass or looters wanted, then if you get the item you pass it. If it says farming and looking for x and you are also looking for x, then it's your loot do with it what you wish, especcially on a high reaper quests where the leader needed your help to do the quest.
 

TedSandyman

Well-known member
Putting "I GET ALL YOUR DROPS" in an LFM header is counterproductive and a little bit selfish in itself.

You want more people in your group. If someone is looking for the same item as you they are more likely to join your group. Even if they keep the item, having more people in the group is still more helpful to your goal of finding the one specific item overall.

You shouldn't discourage anyone from joining.

The most reasonable way to approach this issue in a way that is an advantage to everyone involved is to keep the item the first time you get it, but keep farming with the group to help pull a second item. How many times have you pulled an item and thought "Great! I just keep getting that same item over and over". It happens to me a lot. The person who pulled the first one has just as good a chance of pulling a second one. (I know it is just my perception, but I would almost swear the chances are greater for pulling a second identical item after you have pulled a first one. )

If the person who pulls the item you want didn't join your LFM to start with, you wouldn't have had the item anyway. So them not joining initially doesn't somehow magically give you the item. You don't lose just because they kept it. But if that person keeps the item, then keeps helping you to find the item, YOU ARE STILL MORE LIKELY TO FIND THE ITEM.

So, keep the first item, pass any item you get a second time. This would make it helpful for you, since you can get the item. But it allows more people to join these LFMs which means more people looting, which helps the leader too.

If you join, get the item, and immediately drop the group, you are a bad person. If you stick around and help the leader get the item, then you have done your part.

How long should you stay in the group? I try to stay until the leader gives up, or until she gets the item. If you don't have time for that, then definitely don't join.

Getting gear can be tough. Sometimes the God of Random just seems to have a vendetta against you. If we find ways to work together to benefit EVERYONE then it becomes easier.

Telling someone you HAVE to give me your stuff isn't the best way to get a good group together.
 

rabidfox

The People's Champion
If you need others to help kill then it's one thing. But many gear farms are soloable at high speeds. The 5x other people just offer additional chances to pass an item in a chest. A person who won't pass the item because they need it themselves is a party slot that could be filled by a person who will pass it. This is what "Need X item, please pass" LFMs are all about; filling the remaining party slots with folks who will pass so it increases the odds of getting an item before ransacking the chest. With older content where people already have the items they want themselves, these kinds of LFMs work well; folks who want XP in exchange for passing items or are jut nice/bored will pop in and pass loot. In MD where most folks don't have the items they need (due to the silly low rare drop rates), it's unlikely these kinds of LFMs will function well.
 

Oliphant

Well-known member
The same people posting Scarlet O'Hara LFMs for spell crit chance augments from the worm cave, are the same people just itching to squelch others, same mentality.
 
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AMess

Winter is Coming
The same people posting Scarlet O'Hara LFMs for spell crit chance augments from the worm cave, are the same people just itching to squelch others, same mentality.
There was a time, when our population was growing and the number of levels was sufficiently small such that if you found someone whose mentality didn't align with yours you could ignore them and have plenty of folks to play with. Although, today, it's a different story, filing an LFM can be hard. I'm hoping that a more permissive and open philosophy will allow folks who may have not grouped in the past, for whatever reason, to group now.
 

axel15810

Well-known member
Yes, unless the LFM states the specific named item they are looking for and also states passers only please.

Even if going after the same item you're assisting them by helping them complete the quest faster. If you're weary about it though you can always send a PM to the leader and ask.
 

Cheeps

Firm Member
If you make an agreement before the quest to pass the loot, you should stick to the agreement.

Back when bauble was a thing I used to join that farm because I wanted the arrowhead out of the same quest, I was clear that I would pass the bauble, but everything else was mine and they agreed.

Then the arrowhead dropped for me after the 3rd run so I looted it.

They got angry I didn't give it to them so I told them it wasn't the bauble, wished them luck and dropped group.

I got several angry tells, but the agreement was clear and I didn't break it.

In general, stick to the agreement of the LFM when you join, or don't join.
 

Bjond

Well-known member
The servers are small; ie. everyone needs everyone else on the server at least in some small way. Thus, it's nice to be diplomatic. At least ask if they mind. This avoids the biggest reason for almost all loot issues: false expectations.

IMHO, the only chest type where I'll just assume the LFM leader gets their pick of anything that drops is on a Feytwisted chest, especially if it's R10. They put in the work to pop it. All I'm doing is jogging over. So, I'll pass anything they want.
 

J1NG

I can do things others can't...
I only wish it's that simple.

I've personally joined many runs where players need help on pulls and I've happily passed items over. Even if it's a Reaper and/or Mythic bonus item. And even if it's an item I could have used.

Of the last year or so however, I do this less and less.

Not because I dislike doing so, but more because in my experience players don't remember who helped them before - and thus when I make mention I can use stuff (just the basic item, not even with any bonus), it still seems to go into their own packs or to someone elses packs, never mine who basically helped them gear up half of their current toon.

And in some cases, loot envy even kicks in and then you wonder why bother in the first place just to get harrased afterwards? Passed a raid item over to someone who had basically ransacked (can confirm this as we saw their Raid LFM's turn up many times) their toon forgot about them being on the ransack run at that point with us and was praying that someone would have it drop and have a chance on a roll on it. I had said if I had it drop I'd pass it over if no one else says they'd want a shot at it also.

No one said anything.

I was the last one to loot chest and said item dropped. Laughed, told them it was fate, and gave the item over to them. THEN I get tells from someone else saying - Shouldn't loot "I" don't use be put up for roll? And as mentioned, it wasn't like I didn't even give anyone else a chance, I typed it out plain as day in chat if anyone else wants they'll need to say something now or I'm just passing it to the Raid Leader who wanted said item.

Then there's the story that matters most to this thread: A long time ago, before Monks could break material DR, a pair of named Handwraps were made (Devout Handwraps) and would drop in the Shadow Crypt optional. But their drop rate was silly low and thus players that were able to run it asked others to help pull. Now, as said, the rarity was silly low, so pretty much no one on ANY server had a set yet at that point. So I saw that they were going to farm it and joined to give them a hand, if only to help them get it first on any server (just seeing the darn things turn up would have been a satisfying outcome for me).

Here's the thing, those HW were BTC, meaning you only ever need one to drop for your character. But it's absolutely possible with RNG being the way it is, for more than one to drop. Then anyone else who could use them could also benefit from that run's second pair drop, etc. I've seen this happen many times before.

But alas, the members of that run saw that I was on my monk and asked if I had the wraps already? I said no. Got booted before I could even follow up to say I was there to help them get the first drop on any server first and foremost - and only have a chance at a spare set if a spare dropped.

Oh well.

I still managed to get my pair before they did in the end though... :sneaky:

But, back to this thread. Yeah, definitely should join - to help someone gear up if not possibly have yours drop too. But lots of socio-gaming hurdles to keep track of and if you're not happy with handling those hurdles, then don't join.

J1NG
 

Sturmbb

Well-known member
Yes, unless the LFM states the specific named item they are looking for and also states passers only please.

Even if going after the same item you're assisting them by helping them complete the quest faster. If you're weary about it though you can always send a PM to the leader and ask.
This is personnally what i would do, send the leader a quick tell, saying your after the same item.
When running and it did drop for me, i would still complete more runs with the party leader, so if it did drop again for me. I could pass it over to them.
 

erethizon1

Well-known member
This is a tough one. I've had times when I see a farming LFM and think to myself, "If that item drops for me I am going to want to loot it myself, so I am just not going to join the LFM." That is usually my default response. Not so much because I think anyone that joins such a group is obligated to pass loot, but because I don't want to risk that the leader is so entitled as to think that anyone that joins owes him their loot. Occasionally I do join a farming group hoping that people will pass the other drops in that quest.
 

PersonMan

Well-known member
Always communicate pertinent information. I expect most people would be fine with you joining. In cases where A (party leader) and B both want an item and one of C-F gets it, they might even prefer rolling on it rather than just having it passed to A, and may also be willing to continue farming for you even after they got it.

If they are not fine with you joining. They are the party leader. Your loot is your loot; their star is their star. Start your own party.
 

iheardthat2

Active member
If the LFM is asking for pullers/hands, then joining without saying anything means you agree to pass what they're after . If you don't, you're a bad mammal.

If you work something out with the group leader before joining, all bets are off.

As an aside, I suspect the answer to "Why not just start your own group?" wouldn't be a good look.
 
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dur

Paladin. Disruptor. Since the 1970s
OP: Option 2. And I'm disheartened by the votes for #1. Guess they're aren't hundreds of Uber players loaded with Uber items. Go figure.
 

ChickenMobile

Well-known member
You have no obligation to hand over ANY item you get in a quest. It is just a nicety to do so.
I often run farming quests for others when LFGs appear just because its a nice thing to do, and would appreciate others doing the same for me. Often people join LFGs just for the xp and are willing to hand over items anyway.
Priority is always: your loot then other's loot - otherwise people will use your kindness.

You can always hand the item over in subsequent runs if you want to, even then you don't because ITS YOURS. But people getting angry because you prioritise your own loot or leave once you get yours is just ****** and immature.
I've heard sometimes that people would join loot runs, get the item and then purposely leave it in the chest to troll the player in quest. This is scum and deserves getting peeved over. But hey, now you at least know who the scum players are and not group or ever help them again.
 

dur

Paladin. Disruptor. Since the 1970s
You have no obligation to hand over ANY item you get in a quest. It is just a nicety to do so.
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If the party you join is farming a certain item, and it's stated in the LFM, DnD Etiquette demands you do. Or roll for it. DDO is lost if this is.

**Might as well be WoW or the Wild West. Or a lot of uber-solo players. No one wants to run with a thief or a cheat or a deceitful person.
 
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