kmoustakas
Scourge of Xaos
Some of us know that wisps cast phantasmal killer. Not all of us, but some of us. Always get deathblock before farming the set items there on hardcore
Some of you first lifers have a lot of nerve.
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Monicle le Blair
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Those are the ones that fill my ignore list.
If you dont wanna play, gtfo my group. I dont give a F about your real life problems, if any, because I also have my own problems and I dont force them on others.
We teamed up to help each other and not to carry your lazy ass.
woq
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I don't mind the occasional afk, because I occasionally need an afk. Sometimes I carry others, sometimes they carry me. Just don't make it a habit - and if you do, make sure the others are ok with it (for example: I'm ok with dad/mom gamers that may occasionally need a minute, or people who live with very painful permanent illnesses that have ups and downs on debilitating / not debilitating).
I get not wanting to accommodate such though and that's ok too - but just knowing *why* those people go afk occasionally goes a long way to being more ok with it.
DDO is a MMO.
And there are a lot of strong players in the game by now, so posting R10 PUGs is totally fine. (MD is really hard though, but most other questlines are fine)
Also people who could solo R10 but open up a LFM want get some company, have fun, help others get rxp, gear, xp (if 20-34). Most don't do it just for showing off.
I agree with indicating by level how much PUGs are expected to contribute.
(30/32-)34: better if you contribute
20-34 it doesn't matter (usually the player(s) starting that LFM can already handle it).
This is not just R10 but other difficulties as well. A few extremely strong players or ranged/support/ healers good at avoiding aggro sometimes ignore the level restrictions too and do well anyway.
woq
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I'm gonna join your R10 group on my first life healer warlockbard and you're gonna like it!
PaleFox
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When with guildies that know what they are doing and specifically instructed to bring any char that can keep the heals and restos up for the tank, then yes.
Other than that, I do not yet feel comfortable pugging R10s yet, and by the looks of how long a single player has an LFM up for those and nobody is joining....
Edit:
Honest question for the people that run a lot of content on high difficulty, how many past lives and reppaper points must one have to run what reaper content comfortably?
And what special gear is needed for it?
kmoustakas
Scourge of Xaos
This. If lfm is 20-34 and public vs 34-34 and non public.
Also, first lifer doens't mean anything. ZVD has a first lifer with max reaper points
I really miss that kind of attitude in "modern" online gaming.
I remember one time in WoW, during a dungeon, one of the players was like "I am starving, do you guys mind if I drove to Burger King and get something to eat ?" So we just waited 30-45 minutes for him and just chatted for a while. Took us like 3-4 hours to complete the dungeon, but it was fun. No one cared about XP/minute.
Cmecu
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He makes a valid point.
R10 is NOT designed for someone who is a first lifer. There are some classes that may get away with doing R10 and people who are exceptional players.
I joined High Lords of Malkier Voodu's guild on Sarlona, many years back. I made a first life character, Iconic PDK 3 figther 17 FVS Healer.
My first life I was healing their raids, and then doing R8, and R10 quests.
Healers can be an exception if you are good at not getting hit, moving around, looking and avoiding, and healing.
Even as a first lifer, and being an experience player from this game and many other MMO's, R10 is still a place I shouldnt had been but I was grouped with people who knew in advance the condition of my character.
So is it really fair to the rest of the party, if you cant do your part? Like the OP said, sure those who are powerful can manage to carry those people who lack past lives and gear. But is it really fair?
People who consistently do R10 are not great in number. Some may say it as Elitism, but it can go both ways. I wouldnt even want to impose on people if I knew I couldnt do my fair share.. in anything , a game or real life.
Maybe the person joining didnt know, and the most diplomatic thing to do is for the leader of the group to talk with that person AFTER the run is over and say, hey look, I enjoyed having the opportunity to play with you, but we are a group of people who move fast through R10 content, and we can do that because we have the gear and past lives to allow us to do that.
Explain to the person how being geared and past lives contribute greatly to the success of R10s.
Maybe even offer to help with level some of their lives, or run lower reapers on some alt toon you may have.
We all play to have fun, if its not fun, then we are not going to play.
Monkey_Archer
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Rule #1 of DDO: Expect nothing from pugs.
FaceDancer
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The last time I joined a pug, I ended up pretty much carrying the group because the lead was either AFK, taking a call, in the process of dying or being rezzed.
I'm mostly a solo player and it really felt like the blind leading the blind. I think Monkey's Rule is appropriate. PUG's are like a box of chocolates...
I'm mostly a solo player and it really felt like the blind leading the blind. I think Monkey's Rule is appropriate. PUG's are like a box of chocolates...
Macenzie
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Gimp
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Last night we ran WPM and Age of Rage saga. We had a level 20 (a guildy needing xp) and a level 30 (pug who hit the lfm) join us. While they paid the usual price of more deaths due to low levels....they were fine and got a lot of XP and RXP from it. The other four of us simpy stepped up. They wont get better and they wont learn how to play R10's unless you take the time to let them join in.
We set the lfm to 20-34 due to our guildy being 20...but we accepted whoever hit it. Like we normally do...and get it done.
If your party is adversly affected by having a few weaker players....maybe you arent ready for r10's as much as you think OP.
Heck we didnt even bother to have a healer in the group. I wont lie i died at the end of the last quest...but it was lag...and everybody died. Good news is it really didnt lag bad until the last quest in the end fight of AoR....which as everyone knows is the best place to have massive lag, regardless of whose in the party.
We set the lfm to 20-34 due to our guildy being 20...but we accepted whoever hit it. Like we normally do...and get it done.
If your party is adversly affected by having a few weaker players....maybe you arent ready for r10's as much as you think OP.
Heck we didnt even bother to have a healer in the group. I wont lie i died at the end of the last quest...but it was lag...and everybody died. Good news is it really didnt lag bad until the last quest in the end fight of AoR....which as everyone knows is the best place to have massive lag, regardless of whose in the party.
DDO Gaming
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// Some of you first lifers have a lot of nerve. //
Or you can create your own team of overpowered blah blah and lock the quest by playing it privately (you don't need to LFM). But you then have the issue of finding R10 gamers willing to play with you
Or you can create your own team of overpowered blah blah and lock the quest by playing it privately (you don't need to LFM). But you then have the issue of finding R10 gamers willing to play with you
TrappedSoulstone
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Back to original question:
- Because there is no requirements indicated (except lvl range)
- people want "free" xp reg or rxp
- people want to try harder content but afraid to do it themself
- people want to see how other do it
- there is some expectation that leader can carry to a degree
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