Starter Monk Shuriken Thrower Build

Strimtom

Strimtom

Well-known member
Good morning all. It is I, Strimtom. I have taken a break from DDO for a while but I am back and I am excited to look at some builds. I had to TR my old mains from a year ago but I wanted to give simplified versions of the builds, starting with the shuriken thrower I was playing. I am not a shuriken expert, and I also did not take this character into super endgame because I wanted to work on other things. As a result this build will not feature extreme endgame content and optimizations. If you are experienced with DDO and want that high end experience, I recommend this thread or this thread instead.

Here is a quick video going over my build and my thoughts on Shuriken Monk:


TL;DW
  • Monk thrower is insane from 20+, but feels horrible while below 20.
  • It scales extremely well with main stats, making past lives, tomes, and racial points even better than most builds.
  • It's really hard to go back to bow after playing one of these.
Without further ado, here are the First life friendly versions, as well as my version I played on stream. Bear in mind if you want to skip heroic badness, I'll inbclude an inquisitive tree you can run for heroics instead.

https://imgur.com/NKGIuL4

First Life Shuriken Monk
Monk 20
Lawful Neutral Elf


Stats
. . . . . . . .28pt . . 32pt. . .34pt . . 36pt. . .Level Up
. . . . . . . .---- . . ----. . .---- . . ----. . .--------
Strength. . . . 10. . . .12 . . . 10. . . . 8 . . . 4: DEX
Dexterity . . . 18. . . .18 . . . 20. . . .20 . . . 8: DEX
Constitution. . 10. . . .12 . . . 10. . . . 8 . . .12: DEX
Intelligence. . 10. . . .10 . . . 10. . . .10 . . .16: DEX
Wisdom. . . . . 16. . . .16 . . . 16. . . .18 . . .20: DEX
Charisma. . . . .8. . . . 8 . . . .8. . . . 8 . . .24: DEX
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .28: DEX
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .32: DEX

Skills
. . . . . 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
. . . . .------------------------------------------------------------
Concent . 4. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
Balance . 4. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
Tumble. . 4. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
UMD . . . 2. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. . .11
Jump. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .1 . 1
. . . . .------------------------------------------------------------
. . . . .16. 4. 4. 4. 4. 4. 4. 4. 4. 4. 4. 4. 4. 4. 4. 4. 4. 4. 4. 4


Feats

.1. . . . : Point Blank Shot
.1 Monk . : Shuriken Expertise
.2 Monk . : Precision
.3. . . . : Precise Shot
.6. . . . : Rapid Reload
.6 Monk . : Ten Thousand Stars
.9. . . . : Quick Draw
12. . . . : Improved Critical: Thrown
15. . . . : Single Weapon Fighting
18. . . . : Improved Precise Shot OR Improved Single Weapon Fighting
21 Epic . : Patience
22 Destiny: Holy Strike
24 Epic . : Eerie Aim
25 Destiny: Doubleshot
27 Epic . : Overwhelming Critical
28 Destiny: Crush Weakness
30 Epic . : Combat Archery
30 Legend : Scion of: Ethereal Plane
31 Destiny: Legendary Aim
33 Epic . : Epic Damage Reduction
34 Destiny: Titan's Blood

.3 Monk . : Path of Harmonious Balance


Enhancements (Spent: 80 +0r +0u / Max: 80 +0r +0u AP)

Ninja Spy (41 AP)
  • Basic Ninja Training, Advanced Ninja Training, Shadow Veil, Poisoned Darts, Diversion, Ninja Master
    1. Ninjutsu, Sneak Attack Training, Subtlety III
    2. Ninjutsu, Agility III, Sneak Attack Training
    3. Ninjutsu, Sneak Attack Training, Sting of the Ninja, Dexterity
    4. Ninjutsu, Sneak Attack Training, No Mercy III, Dexterity
    5. Touch of Death, Deadly Striker, Archer's Focus or Self Defence: Improved Archer's Focus, Shadow Double
Horizon Walker (17 AP)
  • Mark Target, Improved Marking, Greater Marking
    1. Eye for Accuracy III, Planar Dodge III
    2. Protection from Evil and Good II
    3. No Step Missed III, Hunter's Focus, Dexterity
Henshin Mystic (14 AP)
  • Riddle of Fire, Ki Bolt, Cauldron of Flame
    1. Exemplar II, Animal Forms: Way of the Patient Tortoise
    2. Embrace the Void III, Contemplation III
    3. Conditioning I
Shintao (8 AP)
  • Bastion of Purity
    1. Fast Hands: Fast Hands: Ranged III, Negotiator I
    2. Iron Skin III
Leveling Guide
  1. Spy0 Basic Ninja Training; Spy1 Ninjutsu
  2. Spy1 Sneak Attack Training; Spy2 Ninjutsu
  3. Spy2 Sneak Attack Training; Spy0 Advanced Ninja Training; HZW0 Mark Target; HZW1 Eye for Accuracy I
  4. HZW1 Eye for Accuracy II, III; HZW1 Planar Dodge I; HZW0 Improved Marking
  5. HZW2 Protection from Evil and Good I, II; HZW1 Planar Dodge II, III
  6. HZW0 Greater Marking; HZW3 No Step Missed I, II, III
  7. HZW3 Hunter's Focus; Spy0 Shadow Veil; Hen0 Riddle of Fire
  8. Hen1 Animal Forms: Way of the Patient Tortoise; Hen1 Exemplar I, II; Hen2 Contemplation I
  9. Hen2 Contemplation II, III; Spy3 Ninjutsu
  10. Spy3 Sneak Attack Training; Spy3 Sting of the Ninja
  11. Spy3 Dexterity; Spy2 Agility I
  12. Spy0 Poisoned Darts; Spy4 Ninjutsu; Spy4 Sneak Attack Training
  13. Spy4 No Mercy I, II, III
  14. Spy4 Dexterity; Spy5 Touch of Death; Spy5 Deadly Striker; Spy5 Archer's Focus or Self Defence: Improved Archer's Focus
  15. Spy5 Shadow Double; Shi0 Bastion of Purity; Shi1 Fast Hands: Fast Hands: Ranged I, II
  16. Shi1 Fast Hands: Fast Hands: Ranged III; Shi1 Negotiator I; Shi2 Iron Skin I, II
  17. Shi2 Iron Skin III
  18. Spy0 Diversion; Hen0 Ki Bolt; Hen2 Embrace the Void I, II, III; Hen0 Cauldron of Flame; Hen3 Conditioning I
  19. Spy1 Subtlety I, II, III; Spy2 Agility II
  20. Spy2 Agility III; Spy0 Ninja Master; HZW3 Dexterity

Destinies (Spent: 69 (56 +13pdp) / Max: 69 (56 +13pdp) AP)

Shiradi Champion (35 AP)
  • Fey Favor, Vision, Audience with the Queen, Fey Countenance
    1. Prism, Good Luck III, Fey Sight III
    2. Stay Loud III, Phase Double III, Healing Spring, Empathetic Link III
    3. Double Rainbow, Hunt's End
    4. Cruelty of the Hunt, Track, Queen's Diplomacy, Whirling Wrists III
    5. Nerve Venom, Lore of the Hunt, Feywild Attunement, Inexorable Advance
Fatesinger (24 AP)
  • Fatesinger's Repertoire, Intoxicating Presence, Glitter of Fame, Hear My Voice Friend
    1. The Pluck of a String, Harmonic Resonance
    2. Arrow of Discord, A Little Bit of Music
    3. Master the Acoustics III, The Rhythm to Reign III, The Sonata to Serve III
    4. Great Ballads of War III
Grandmaster of Flowers (10 AP)
  • Inner Focus, Disciple of Material: Adamantine
    1. Inner Focus III, Enlightenment III
    2. Hail of Blows

Multi Life Shuriken Monk
Monk 20
Lawful Neutral Eladrin


Stats
. . . . . . . .28pt . . 32pt. . .34pt . . 36pt. . .Tome. . .Level Up
. . . . . . . .---- . . ----. . .---- . . ----. . .---- . . --------
Strength. . . . 10. . . .12 . . . 10. . . . 8 . . . +8 . . . 4: DEX
Dexterity . . . 18. . . .18 . . . 20. . . .20 . . . +8 . . . 8: DEX
Constitution. . 12. . . .14 . . . 12. . . .10 . . . +8 . . .12: DEX
Intelligence. . 10. . . .10 . . . 10. . . .10 . . . +8 . . .16: DEX
Wisdom. . . . . 16. . . .16 . . . 16. . . .18 . . . +8 . . .20: DEX
Charisma. . . . .8. . . . 8 . . . .8. . . . 8 . . . +8 . . .24: DEX
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 28: DEX
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 32: DEX

Skills
. . . . . 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
. . . . .------------------------------------------------------------
Concent . 4. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
Balance . 4. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
Jump. . . . .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .2 .2 .2 .2 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .23
Tumble. . 4. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
Swim. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 2. 2. 2. 3. 15
UMD . . . 2. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. . .11
. . . . .------------------------------------------------------------
. . . . .16. 5. 5. 5. 5. 5. 6. 6. 6. 6. 6. 6. 6. 6. 6. 6. 7. 7. 7. 7
Max . . .16. 5. 5. 5. 5. 5. 6. 6. 6. 6. 6. 6. 6. 6. 7. 7. 7. 7. 7. 7


Feats

.1. . . . : Point Blank Shot
.1 Monk . : Shuriken Expertise
.2 Monk . : Precision
.3. . . . : Precise Shot
.6. . . . : Rapid Reload
.6 Monk . : Ten Thousand Stars
.9. . . . : Quick Draw
12. . . . : Improved Critical: Thrown
15. . . . : Single Weapon Fighting
18. . . . : Improved Precise Shot OR Improved Single Weapon Fighting
21 Epic . : Patience
22 Destiny: Holy Strike
24 Epic . : Eerie Aim
25 Destiny: Doubleshot
27 Epic . : Overwhelming Critical
28 Destiny: Crush Weakness
30 Epic . : Combat Archery
30 Legend : Scion of: Ethereal Plane
31 Destiny: Legendary Aim
33 Epic . : Epic Damage Reduction
34 Destiny: Titan's Blood

.3 Monk . : Path of Harmonious Balance


Enhancements (Spent: 80 +16r +2u / Max: 80 +16r +2u AP)

Ninja Spy (41 AP)
  • Basic Ninja Training, Advanced Ninja Training, Shadow Veil, Poisoned Darts, Diversion, Ninja Master
    1. Ninjutsu, Sneak Attack Training, Subtlety III
    2. Ninjutsu, Agility III, Sneak Attack Training
    3. Ninjutsu, Sneak Attack Training, Sting of the Ninja, Dexterity
    4. Ninjutsu, Sneak Attack Training, No Mercy III, Dexterity
    5. Touch of Death, Deadly Striker, Archer's Focus or Self Defence: Improved Archer's Focus, Shadow Double
Eladrin (18 AP)
  • Elven Accuracy, +1 Dexterity, Elven Accuracy II, +1 Dexterity, Elven Accuracy III
    1. Fey Step, Step Through the Fade III
    2. Minor Summer Attunement I, Minor Autumn Attunement II, Minor Winter Attunement I
    3. Major Autumn Attunement I
    4. Skill, Autumn Spell Night Shield
Horizon Walker (17 AP)
  • Mark Target, Improved Marking, Greater Marking
    1. Eye for Accuracy III, Planar Dodge III
    2. Protection from Evil and Good II
    3. No Step Missed III, Hunter's Focus, Dexterity
Henshin Mystic (14 AP)
  • Riddle of Fire, Ki Bolt, Cauldron of Flame
    1. Exemplar II, Animal Forms: Way of the Patient Tortoise
    2. Embrace the Void III, Contemplation III
    3. Conditioning I
Shintao (8 AP)
  • Bastion of Purity
    1. Fast Hands: Fast Hands: Ranged III, Negotiator I
    2. Iron Skin III

Destinies (Spent: 82 (56 +26pdp) / Max: 82 (56 +26pdp) AP) Errors

Shiradi Champion (35 AP)
  • Fey Favor, Vision, Audience with the Queen, Fey Countenance
    1. Prism, Good Luck III, Fey Sight III
    2. Stay Loud III, Phase Double III, Healing Spring, Empathetic Link III
    3. Double Rainbow, Hunt's End
    4. Cruelty of the Hunt, Track, Queen's Diplomacy, Whirling Wrists III
    5. Nerve Venom, Lore of the Hunt, Feywild Attunement, Inexorable Advance
Fatesinger (24 AP)
  • Fatesinger's Repertoire, Intoxicating Presence, Glitter of Fame, Hear My Voice Friend
    1. The Pluck of a String, Harmonic Resonance
    2. Arrow of Discord, A Little Bit of Music
    3. Master the Acoustics III, The Rhythm to Reign III, The Sonata to Serve III
    4. Great Ballads of War III
Grandmaster of Flowers (23 AP)
  • Inner Focus, Disciple of Material: Adamantine, Disciple of Morality: Good, Disciple of Philosophy: Dark
    1. Inner Focus III, Enlightenment III
    2. Hail of Blows
    3. The Flickering Flame III, Catch the Wind III, Strength of Stone III
    4. The Cruelty of Evil II
 
unbongwah

unbongwah

Well-known member
"Here's your first-life shuriken build!"

*first screenshot shows 41 APs Inquisitive*

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Fisto Mk I

Fisto Mk I

Well-known member
Why Elf instead Drow for 1st life? Free Shuriken Expertise is good! 8)
Rapid Reload do nothing for Thrower builds and if it for Inq only i don't see replacement for Epic play.
Patience is pure trap at lvl21 for throwers, never take it before lvl26 and Whirling Wrists from Shiradi taken.
Archer's Focus or Self Defence: Improved Archer's Focus - IAF for 1st life is trap too, soul stone have zero dps, take SD here instead.
 
ThreeEyedBob

ThreeEyedBob

Member
Welcome back! I've been messing around with a halfling shuriken build (lvl 22 now) but i seem to have missed the bus or went on the short bus for building Ki. I thought Fire stance would build ki from hits and crits but i dont see any increase there so either something is bugged or i misunderstood something. Full 20 pure monk halfling.
 
Bobbryan2

Bobbryan2

Well-known member
ThreeEyedBob said:
Welcome back! I've been messing around with a halfling shuriken build (lvl 22 now) but i seem to have missed the bus or went on the short bus for building Ki. I thought Fire stance would build ki from hits and crits but i dont see any increase there so either something is bugged or i misunderstood something. Full 20 pure monk halfling.
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Thrown weapons do not generate ki! This is something all ki-throwers have to contend with. The preferred way of getting around it is to double/triple up on some passive kit bonuses. If you can get to a +3 passive ki regeneration, you should have enough to do things you want to do.
 
ThreeEyedBob

ThreeEyedBob

Member
Bobbryan2 said:
Thrown weapons do not generate ki! This is something all ki-throwers have to contend with. The preferred way of getting around it is to double/triple up on some passive kit bonuses. If you can get to a +3 passive ki regeneration, you should have enough to do things you want to do.
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Aha! I guess i have to rework my build a bit with a mind for passive ki regen then. So the ki from Fire stance is from melee hits/crits then i guess.
 
SpartanKiller13

SpartanKiller13

Why do I have 522 ddo build files
Coalesce said:
How much HP does it amount to? Is it worth taking over something else?
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Part of the issue is the something else, what are you grabbing here? Common choices are feats like WF:Ranged or Power Critical, but +2 RP when you're expecting 3 or 500 isn't a lot, and shuriken doesn't have a great crit profile (it's like +0.9 Deadly). Yes, for a theorycrafted R10 raid pushing glass cannon go for it, but in ~all of my DDO experience I'd take Toughness over those feats. Skill Focus:Swim is a contender for feats better than Power Critical in my books, Crusader aside.

Deflect Arrows & Quick Draw are two of the main choices that I would pick over HP, like I went 11 VKF back before the Monk pass to get these, but QD has an augment and DA is available in GMoF so there are alternatives.

On my halfling split I ran the Dragonmark and I got a lot of value out of it when raiding or soloing. But that's a bit less generic advice :)
 
Coalesce

Coalesce

Active member
SpartanKiller13 said:
Part of the issue is the something else, what are you grabbing here? Common choices are feats like WF:Ranged or Power Critical, but +2 RP when you're expecting 3 or 500 isn't a lot, and shuriken doesn't have a great crit profile (it's like +0.9 Deadly). Yes, for a theorycrafted R10 raid pushing glass cannon go for it, but in ~all of my DDO experience I'd take Toughness over those feats. Skill Focus:Swim is a contender for feats better than Power Critical in my books, Crusader aside.

Deflect Arrows & Quick Draw are two of the main choices that I would pick over HP, like I went 11 VKF back before the Monk pass to get these, but QD has an augment and DA is available in GMoF so there are alternatives.

On my halfling split I ran the Dragonmark and I got a lot of value out of it when raiding or soloing. But that's a bit less generic advice :)
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Appreciate the response. I have done many builds over the years but never went the route of taking SWF line for HP so it was something new to me. I ended up taking Skill focus UMD and dodge.
 
T

Teryon

New member
So can someone offer a mnk inquisitive build so I can lvl this guy and it wont be so painful? Im almost lvl 8 now and if inquisitive is a better lvling option im interested.
 
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Exarkun

New member
Teryon said:
So can someone offer a mnk inquisitive build so I can lvl this guy and it wont be so painful? Im almost lvl 8 now and if inquisitive is a better lvling option im interested.
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I am level 10 now and have Inquisitive skills using a light crossbow without even taking the light crossbow certification. I am leveling just fine. I can solo quests. It's the AOE attack in the Inq tree that shreds things.
 
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