With the update earlier this year to allow SF access to the epic martial arts feats, it would also be nice to see Stunning Fist get an update for SF to use their charisma score, as it is the last unarmed themed feat that is left excluded from the class synergy. It still appears to be scaling with wisdom.
Stunning Fist could use Charisma scaling
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Currently playing a SF now... with the imbues and radiant Aura I think it may be superior to monk as is. Sacrificing some perks to invest in the falconry tree with added ki and stunning fist DCs is an option but you would lower saves and your AC if you dont multiclass monk as well by having wisdom as your primary state. Your positive spellpower would be greater as well. Pros and Cons but it's balanced.
FVSHasBeenEvenMoreGutted
If you read my posts you have already lost
sacred fist will forever be b or c tier until the day the devs realize they made a god awful error (for no reason other then to make the class be mid) and add a trance to the class, haste boost, and some monk stance equivalent. maybe not all that, but at least some
Bjond
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IMHO, scaling for all weapon-based tactics should be normalized on either the hit or damage stat of your current weapon. Hit "feels" more correct, but hit is already checked on weapon tactics because they have to hit the target. So, maybe the damage stat is better. They're almost always the same, though.
At the very least all should be "highest stat" and not locked to one or two particular stats.
At the very least all should be "highest stat" and not locked to one or two particular stats.
RayRay Ramone
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SF gets the same saves based on CHA as the Paladin. Pumping WIS like a monk isn't gonna be better than that.
So the way that Sacred Fist works is that it's a paladin base that gains Monk class features at specified levels (AC, speed, flurry, etc) and anything based on WIS from that list is based on CHA instead, and if you multiclass you can get either or.
Previously the Epic level martial arts feats that required flurry of blows were locked to Monk only at level 12, but they added Sacred Fist finally earlier this year. Since SF is supposed to essentially be an unarmed paladin using monk features as a unique class, having Stunning Fist not work off CHA but WIS only puts a small hamper on the standard unarmed toolkit available to monk. There's a reason why alternate ki weapon feats are more popular on monk builds than unarmed, so keeping the primary boost for unarmed in helpless damage from Stunning Fist on WIS limits a lot of the strength that SF could have on its own in higher tiers of content.
Right now, SF is relegated to a very strong heroic class that falls off in Epic and Legendary content. It's not a unique issue with SF, but it becomes more noticeable as the baseline for Stunning Fist becomes harder and harder to achieve without more investment than it should.
Bjond
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All it takes for a top DPS monk or SF is 2x LTR+Xs and an alignment change.
Sorry I am not familiar with the forum shorthand, I'm guessing this is essentially "The best Monk/SF dps is one that completely respecs out of Monk/SF"
Bjond
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All it takes is Razorclaw, but using it requires getting rid of L1 Barbarian.
Dalsheel
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and play uncentered Monk or SF or do you mean play a non-raging Razorclaw? Both options are not good.
no you still play a sacred fist. you just have to LR out of the barbarian level then take levels in a neutral class like fighter then change your alignment and then use a heart to change all of those levels to paladin
Dalsheel
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But Razorclaw shift uncenters you if you get the handwraps enhancements.
Frantik
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If I had, say, a spare +1 lesser Heart of Wood in my bank, would it be "wise" to try and build a Chaosmancer SF?
Would adding a fire immunity stripper be worth it?
Which would be the best weapon for a pure SF? Handwraps, Quarterstaffs or Daggers? Or short-swords for a 18/1/1 split?
Thanks!
Would adding a fire immunity stripper be worth it?
Which would be the best weapon for a pure SF? Handwraps, Quarterstaffs or Daggers? Or short-swords for a 18/1/1 split?
Thanks!
Bjond
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That and the imbue damage is very VERY tiny compared to your physical. IMHO, imbues aren't worth major build sacrifices unless you go all-in on them; eg. INQ, EK, Alchemist.