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Nod

Nod

I don't work for SSG- I pay their bills.
In response to OP, though. The loot system is abysmal mate. I truly hope they rework it, if they intend to implement rate loot in the future. 5,000 raid runes for a “rare” item, I’d rather do 40 reaper runs of a raid than 800 runs of a quest.
 
Bobbryan2

Bobbryan2

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Ying said:
Data miners deciphered loot drop tables long ago. It's how I know the drop rate of getting a specific Shattered Device rare is 0.04% compared to 0.075% for a specific Dreadbringer rare. The same people shared the drop rate of Nebula Fragments when they were released.
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If true, does it change the point?
 
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Reifee - Orien

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Just don't get the item. Its not worth it.

I don't think I've ever done a reroll on a chest in the 18 or so years of playing.
 
Ahpuch

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Ying said:
Data miners deciphered loot drop tables long ago. It's how I know the drop rate of getting a specific Shattered Device rare is 0.04% compared to 0.075% for a specific Dreadbringer rare. The same people shared the drop rate of Nebula Fragments when they were released.
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And thank goodness there is someone figuring that out. But they shouldn't have to.

As soon as SSG put in rerolls they should have published drop rates. Imagine playing roulette where the slot for each number is a different (unknown) size and the roulette wheel is spun in a back room. When they want to generate money from us they should operate better than a 3 card monte dealer in a back alley.
 
eartheyes

eartheyes

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odds are not guarantees...every time you roll, you have a chance to fail...you could perpetually fail and that wouldn't prove you didn't have odds, even potentially favorable odds on every roll.

yes some of the loot is frustrating to farm, but if the only way you are going to enjoy ddo is by getting every piece of gear you want, I would strongly suggest a new hobby?
 
Konsumer

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eartheyes said:
odds are not guarantees...every time you roll, you have a chance to fail...you could perpetually fail and that wouldn't prove you didn't have odds, even potentially favorable odds on every roll.

yes some of the loot is frustrating to farm, but if the only way you are going to enjoy ddo is by getting every piece of gear you want, I would strongly suggest a new hobby?
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Those are wrong assumptions about peoples motivations.
 
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DDO Gaming

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Bobbryan2 said:
How would you do that if you didn't know which were rare without the people hacking their code?
But hey... at least you're starting to ask sensible questions about this loot system you're just finding out about! Progress!
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but those were posted somewhere on the DDO forums maybe 12 months ago. and everyone had a massive argument about them back then
 
Bobbryan2

Bobbryan2

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DDO Gaming said:
since your motivations are rare loot items...you embrace the risks knowing the chances of obtaining them are low
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I feel like your other forum that you're switching the tab is on like Nietzschean Free Will and you're blending them.
 
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Smokewolf

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Konsumer said:
A friend farmed an item out of MD. He spent over a thousand shards on rerolls before he finally got it.
He gave his build gear list to another friend who wanted to use the same build.
The other friend went to farm the same item and got it on his 3rd roll.
I have personally been farming some gloves, and so far I've spent 800 shards on rerolls. Most times I invest 45 or 60 shards on rerolls and get nothing in return. Nothing.
A pack of 1,000 shards costs 5,395 ddo points. Unless you already have 400 DDO points, you can't get 5395 in the $35 package. You have to spend $60.

Listen. This is tantamount to robbery. It's like a damn slot machine. You spend real money and there's no guarantee you'll get anything at all except fleeced for your money.
I know some will say "just don't use rerolls". Nonetheless, the option is there. It's not fair, likely illegal, and hella exploitative.
At the least, we should be guaranteed a named item for a reroll. Even if it's not the one we want. But walking away empty handed after spending so much money for one item is not ok. Then watching someone get it basically for free after you spent a fortune is just disrespectful.
This is not a casino. It's a video game.
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This is why farming / sharing for loot is stupid on so many levels.
 
OG DM

OG DM

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You're still doing exactly what they want you to do. The first step succeeded. Getting you into the system as a payor, while at the same time never guaranteeing a desired result.

Did anyone think the probability wouldn't be manipulated in order to increase the average number of rolls needed, which also increases the average amount of money paid in, to net said desired result?
 
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DDO Gaming

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I think that loot table random chance thing that folks very kindly created needs to be posted regularly to the DDO forums as a regular reminder of the likelihood of obtaining particular named items
 
Ying

Ying

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To OP's point, this is a game. It's meant to be beaten. Having such a low drop rate for items is lame. While I exhausted my shard supply during the uber anniversary djinn bonus when using a discovery potion, it won't be something I repeat. I never did get the rare MD item I wanted after 564 chest rolls. Chase items can go F themselves.
 
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misterski

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Rerolling is a choice. Farming for a specific item is a choice. I would much rather they remove rerolling for shards but it's probably one of their biggest money makers via selling shards so whatever.
 
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