Yeah they for sure will be treating this as a high priority and wont rest until its fixed.....
Thrane event leaderboard
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Yeah they for sure will be treating this as a high priority and wont rest until its fixed.....
Sarlona Raiding
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If they want to fix it - that would be the best solution. If it's too much effort to fix it - take the leader board down as it's pointless and will only frustrate people that are playing by the rules.
Nah just leave the leaderboards up even with tge cheaters on them, its obvious who the cheaters are.
Having those cheaters self exposing themselves can actually be a good thing, as now you know which toons can be added to your blacklist of filth players you wont run with.
you can even make inside joke slogans similar to a “leroy jenkins” thing, for example someone does something really cheesy and you can laugh and say omg you totally “weapon alpha‘d“ that, one of these days you might go legit!! Hahaha lol
whole party then laughs and chants dont be a Waaaaaaa!!
Having those cheaters self exposing themselves can actually be a good thing, as now you know which toons can be added to your blacklist of filth players you wont run with.
you can even make inside joke slogans similar to a “leroy jenkins” thing, for example someone does something really cheesy and you can laugh and say omg you totally “weapon alpha‘d“ that, one of these days you might go legit!! Hahaha lol
whole party then laughs and chants dont be a Waaaaaaa!!
PersonMan
Well-known member
I would be a bit cautious about calling everyone a cheater. There exists a very real possibility that some people thought it would be like Lanterns and just needed to be level 1 to pick up the hardcore versions, so they TR'd and grabbed them to go do the event. There exists a possibility that such a person does not even know about the leaderboard.
Sarlona Raiding
Well-known member
They may have misunderstood the rules or they may have just picked up all the lutes they could.
Either way, it's an SSG issue and not a player issue. I wouldn't call anyone that picked up the lutes cheaters. I am more disappointed SSG didn't test that.
rabidfox
The People's Champion
I'd be fine if SSG just dumped the leaderboards this event (and made them work right for a future event) and let us pick up winter lutes on TR'd characters on purpose. I don't generally expect to die on new characters, but I'd sure prefer be earning a past life I can use rather than making another bank alt while earning the winter cosmetics.
eartheyes
outerspacetruth
people are going to cheat. people are going to use exploits...if thats how they want to experience the game, so be it...
that being said, i had a lot of free time last week, got my wings relatively fast...i got a lot of tells while walking around, people asked how i got them so fast...i just played all day for a couple days...just because you didnt do something doesnt mean it cant be done?!
if you grabbed winter lutes on a tr'd toon, thats pretty weak though imho...but thats on those people, its not going to take away from my enjoyment and my in-game accomplishments because someone else did something with exploits
that being said, i had a lot of free time last week, got my wings relatively fast...i got a lot of tells while walking around, people asked how i got them so fast...i just played all day for a couple days...just because you didnt do something doesnt mean it cant be done?!
if you grabbed winter lutes on a tr'd toon, thats pretty weak though imho...but thats on those people, its not going to take away from my enjoyment and my in-game accomplishments because someone else did something with exploits
D's / Iron & Mortanis/Kin
Active member
Pretty sure this bug existed on Comryr as well during the latern event.. wasn't as obivous... "HC people where event TRing" It's not like this was a WHOLE new event type. So again... this event isn't fully tested as it should of been
PersonMan
Well-known member
It was not a bug then. Being able to "try again" after TR was intentional as the entire server was fresh. It is different now that all the decade+ old Max TR characters can play.
D's / Iron & Mortanis/Kin
Active member
The current Thoery is... that during the HC Lantern Event.... a Person could reclaim the HC lanterns after they TRed
Bliv
Well-known member
Talk to Baroness Hilda Bitterspine, either in the Hut from Beyond or in Korthos.
Ask her What heroes lead the pack in the winter courts esteem.
D's / Iron & Mortanis/Kin
Active member
Well... than this only confirms the copy and paste strategy in which we do see time to time... I don't blame the players for acquiring these Lutes. It's not like the players are changing the coding at all, or doing any shady. It's a mechanic that wasn't tested.
The main thing still exists... You cannot die with these lutes or they break.
I agree that it may be too late to fix it, and a PR nightmare to remove "cheaters" from the leaderboard individually. Might be better to just admit their mistake and take down the leaderboard entirely because it's just plain frustrating to see people exploiting the loophole so blatantly and still continue to let it be "glamourised".
Underflow
Well-known member
I 100% believe that they should just get rid of the leaderboard. If it were a 'real' hardcore season, the leaderboard would be in the HoH with the rest of the seasons, instead of being tucked away in the elbow of a nothingburger midpoint that a majority of people will never even notice.
It's like Festivult or Night Revels, it's not hardcore.
It's like Festivult or Night Revels, it's not hardcore.
Kimbere
Well-known member
LOL @ all the presumptions of intentional malice on the part of the players instead of QC failures on SSG's part.
Hanlon's and Occam's Razor would like to have a word with you.
Just take a look at the massive list of the other changes that are bugged/broken with this latest update, then apply that to the context of this discussion. For example:
Does anyone actually think the devs properly QC'd the code for this event before shoving it out the door?
It's almost a certainty that SSG copy/pasted large portions of the code for this event from the Cormyr Lantern event. You know, that event where TRing and being able to pickup a new lantern was WAI.
It should have been trivial for the devs to include a proper "IF lute_type = winter AND toon = multi-life, THEN do not give lute" sanity check to the script, but did they? Apparently not.
As we know, many players don't read these forums nor do they read the full details multi-page event announcements on the website.
The simplest explanation is that some players probably TR'd because their guildies said "Let's run this event". Then they went and grabbed all the lutes they could without bothering to read.
Could some of the players have done this intentionally once word got out? Sure, but it would never have been an issue if SSG had done their job properly in the first place.
The onus for this is squarely on SSG, not the players.
Hanlon's and Occam's Razor would like to have a word with you.
Just take a look at the massive list of the other changes that are bugged/broken with this latest update, then apply that to the context of this discussion. For example:
Does anyone actually think the devs properly QC'd the code for this event before shoving it out the door?
It's almost a certainty that SSG copy/pasted large portions of the code for this event from the Cormyr Lantern event. You know, that event where TRing and being able to pickup a new lantern was WAI.
It should have been trivial for the devs to include a proper "IF lute_type = winter AND toon = multi-life, THEN do not give lute" sanity check to the script, but did they? Apparently not.
As we know, many players don't read these forums nor do they read the full details multi-page event announcements on the website.
The simplest explanation is that some players probably TR'd because their guildies said "Let's run this event". Then they went and grabbed all the lutes they could without bothering to read.
Could some of the players have done this intentionally once word got out? Sure, but it would never have been an issue if SSG had done their job properly in the first place.
The onus for this is squarely on SSG, not the players.
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Mindos
CHAOTIC EVIL
This is the thing. Word doesn't get out. People keep secrets. Even the devs. I'm of the opposite attitude, I think everything should be shared.
Kimbere
Well-known member
Well, there are a whopping 4 names on the leaderboard that match this criteria. So that doesn't seem to be the case here, does it?
Given that it's only 4 toons, it is not some widespread conspiracy or fight club rules. It is far more likely that it was accidental and unintended on their part. In spite of that, several posters in this thread had already grabbed their pitchforks and oiled their torches even though they obviously had no firsthand information and didn't even do the basic verification of looking at the board to see who was on it.
As I said before, this falls squarely on SSG's shoulders for their usual MO of copy/pasting code and failing to properly QC it for the new use case.
The irony is, at least one of the accusers who automatically declared the people on the leaderboard guilty without proof protested very loudly when the possibility of them doing something intentionally malicious intentionally was floated without hard evidence a while ago.
You'd think they might have learned to stop doing the same thing to others but it seems to not be the case.
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