Honestly respect to that grind wish I could just turn off and bang em out
TRIPLE Everything... now what?
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GrizzlyOso
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Yeah way more productive. OP wants an end game build and you answered:
- melee dps
- ranged dps
- caster dps
- debuffer
- all of these things have many builds, but yknow , good luck !
OP should just play their current char at cap for a while until they realize what they want to play. Asking this question on the forums is STILL ridiculous, is clearly just a brag, and it should be made fun of.
arent they mostly melee?
Well, lets see. I have done maybe 5 raids in ten years of grinding PAstlives... I have never stayed at CAP. I have two Sentient weapon that i use for most builds, one caster and one SOS. i dont have ANY end gear.. ZERO level 34 gear. never even tried to save any of it..... my Augment bag is full of Filigrees, but i dont use them
So as you can see i kind of know what i like to play, but that is TOTALLY different than what it take to RAID R1-4
Oliphant
Well-known member
I could just say to this: No.
But I'll digress in priority order.
- No, the OP does not need to be made fun of.
- No, the OP is not ridiculous.
- No, 3x does not mean you have a handle on endgame.
- No, there's nothing unproductive with starting at the high level, i.e. ranged dps the best option if you don't like melee, but do build for debuffing and make sure you nab spell crit damage endgame options if you go caster, and use buffed ruin/greater ruin for single boss dps.
- You are really stretching here.
Mesmerin
Well-known member
Arti with extended clip is in a good and (above all) fun place right now. For higher reaper raids stack sneak die as the imbues drop off a lot damage wise, but if you're planning for R1-4 then that's not going to be so much of an issue. Just not sure if you'd want to go for full 20 arti or a splash (14 arti/6 dark hunter or something like that for more sneak die and sniper shot).
Kimbere
Well-known member
So against my better judgement, I'll give you a more detailed answer.
The reason you're getting some less positive responses is thus - Your OP essentially said, I don't know what I'm doing, but I want to have my cake and eat it, too.
Assuming you didn't Otto's box the majority of the PLs, you've put hundreds, if not thousands of hours, into the game but didn't bother to learn much about endgame during the process.
Then you show up, state that you want to jump straight into reaper raiding and ask the community to tell you what to play while specifying a set of counterintuitive and semi unrealistic criteria for the build.
It boils down to this:
- Your post indicates you've put a bare minimum effort into educating and preparing yourself for your stated goal - Reaper Raiding.
- Thus, it gives the impression you're just wanting to be spoon fed answers instead of actually studying for the test.
- There are many reaper raiding capable builds already posted on these forums.
- Spend time looking through them and find one that appeals to you - https://forums.ddo.com/index.php?forums/character-builds-and-classes.24/.
- The thread titles generally indicate which ones are reaper capable builds.
- Spend time looking through them and find one that appeals to you - https://forums.ddo.com/index.php?forums/character-builds-and-classes.24/.
- You want a jack of all trades. Jacks of all trades are for leveling and easy raids, not reaper raids.
- Reaper raiding is one of the few real challenges left in this game - In general, there is a significant jump in difficulty between LH and EE/R1 raids. Far moreso than the increase in difficulty between EE and R1 quests. The difficulty goes up more rapidly as you progress beyond R1.
- Being successful at reaper raiding requires role specilization and min/maxing, not being mediocre or even decent at everything. I'd highly recommend you specialize and min/max for a role instead.
- Determine what role (i.e. dps, heals, tanking, cc/debuffer) you like best and find a min/max'd build that fits that one role.
- Typically, good healers and tanks are the most in-demand and hardest to come by for raiding.
- DPS is always needed but DPS players are far more abundant - most raid LFMs aren't holding spots looking for DPS.
- Good CC/debuffer players are invaluable on a raid, but don't scale well beyond one or two per raid.
- Rather than jumping straight into the deep end of the pool when you don't know how to swim, you should probably start with running LH raids so you can learn the basics of teamwork, roles, mechanics, etc. Then step up to R1, etc.
- You'll make mistakes if you're new to raiding. Making those mistakes on R1+ raids has significantly higher chances of causing serious problems for the raid as a whole and thus earning you the wrong kind of reputation with the reaper raiders on your server.
- Most servers have guilds who host teaching raids and LH raids, where it is much easier to learn what to do before stepping up to reaper. Find these and run with them to learn.
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Tyrande
Well-known member
You should just play what you like to play. Just level your warlock to 34 and start raiding.
Workaround the inadequate areas of the warlock... (like lack of DPS, a little squishy, no trapping, etc.)
You don't need to trap on your warlock when raiding because there are always trappers on those raid groups. Your character just need good reflex saves and perhaps evasion.
Oliphant
Well-known member
I don't see how this is a do-everything build or a tall order for a 3x:
"Start quote
1) DPS this is all important of course.
2) Traps able to get 95% of traps on R4 Raids
3) spot heal/heal after fights.
4) Utility. UMD use scrolls, able to leap, etc.
5) NOT DIE.. hehe tank... 4000-5000HP
End quote"
They want a dps build that can trap e.g. rogue, arti or DH levels.
They want spot healing, after fight healing, a few ways to twist in some spot heals.
A 3x wants UMD, sounds doable and normal.
Not dying, pretty basic stuff.
Folks that don't want to spend time helping could just not post on the thread, super simple.
"Start quote
1) DPS this is all important of course.
2) Traps able to get 95% of traps on R4 Raids
3) spot heal/heal after fights.
4) Utility. UMD use scrolls, able to leap, etc.
5) NOT DIE.. hehe tank... 4000-5000HP
End quote"
They want a dps build that can trap e.g. rogue, arti or DH levels.
They want spot healing, after fight healing, a few ways to twist in some spot heals.
A 3x wants UMD, sounds doable and normal.
Not dying, pretty basic stuff.
Folks that don't want to spend time helping could just not post on the thread, super simple.
Kimbere
Well-known member
Oliphant
Well-known member
Ok, you right the jack of all trades talk is in there but still don't see how it merits less than positive responses. Advising people not to attempt jack of all trades in push raids is not negative per se, although I'm not sure its strictly true either. Easing off of min/max DPS so you can heal a bit, do traps, have UMD and not get killed seems like a good plan. For example, I'm currently doing my attempt at min/max twf DL cloth monkey DPS, full tilt and I can definitely feel the loss of defense. Seems like pretty normal situation where people ask about stuff they don't fully understand already, so help formulate better questions or no biggie to just not weigh in.
For example: "I wouldn't advise a "jack of all trades" necessarily for endgame push reaper content but your list of objectives, with priority on DPS, sounds like a reasonable approach. Keep in mind endgame is quite different so it may take some time to properly adjust. It can be a little tricky getting into endgame circles but we are more welcoming in game than on the forums apparently."
For example: "I wouldn't advise a "jack of all trades" necessarily for endgame push reaper content but your list of objectives, with priority on DPS, sounds like a reasonable approach. Keep in mind endgame is quite different so it may take some time to properly adjust. It can be a little tricky getting into endgame circles but we are more welcoming in game than on the forums apparently."
Haha honestly I can't top the dex-based caster barbarian, it just works on too many levels.
Also @OP, gz on the achievement and this is a fun place to be, the world is ur oyster. Maybe this whole time leveling, you were sort of keeping your head down, and so now is the time for your future reincarnations to just be experiments of enjoyment, because hey, they're not doing anything else for ya!
Also @OP, gz on the achievement and this is a fun place to be, the world is ur oyster. Maybe this whole time leveling, you were sort of keeping your head down, and so now is the time for your future reincarnations to just be experiments of enjoyment, because hey, they're not doing anything else for ya!
Natashaelle
Time Bandit
Well, I'm not OP, but FWIW -- personally in my TR choo choo train journeys I want to fill out all or most sagas before ETR > TR, well on 2nd life + toons anyway, and mechanically that leads me to spend a lot more time at cap than I used to at any time since TR was introduced into DDO.
One thing that's changed positively for me from this with the level 32 > 34 cap increases is that I've been doing some raiding again, which I had been doing very little of during the level > 25 > 30 cap increases.
So for me, raiding and TRing are less incompatible with each other than they used to be.
Natashaelle
Time Bandit
Good post -- one minor quibble :
Toons with a primary plus a secondary rôle can be viable in raiding, it's trying to fill three rôles in one toon that hasn't worked in DDO since level cap 25. But even so, you'd still need to focus heavily on the primary rôle, whilst being well developed enough in the secondary to not be useless with it. AND those rôles will need to be complementary with each other & synergistic and bla bla bla instead of any two rôles you can think of being mish-mashable with each other, either at endgame or on the TR choo-choo.
kimberlyte
Active member
When you've won DDO, you're supposed to use the button of winning. What's with this high reaper raiding thingie that you're talking about - I haven't seen it in the store?
OP, hopefully you enjoyed your journey through all those past lives. I think your future plans are like playing a different game entirely compared to the past 10 years you've spent in DDO, so please be prepared for the possibility that the experience might not match your expectations.
The biggest thing that you didn't really ask about has nothing to do with the build or the gear - it's people and playstyles. Others in this thread such as Kimbere (no relation, but I've pugged with him a few times) are far more experienced at raiding and high reaper, and his advice above looks pretty solid.
Instead of mowing through packs of mobs, you'll need to know and use tactics, kiting Doom reapers properly, taking care to not blow up the Vengeance, memorizing raid mechanics, etc. Rather than needing to do it all, you need to fill a role and do a few things well. Really well.
From what I've seen on Orien, plenty of LH raids get posted, the occasional r1, and very rarely, some r3+. For anything higher, you'll either need to be invited to join one of the handful of endgame guilds on each server, or get to know them well enough to be invited to join their mid-reaper runs on a regular basis. It might take some time - along with running LH raids for experience, start hitting r6-r10 quests to gear up, and you'll start to recognize the same names leading and joining the groups. Get to know some of them, be a reliable and useful player, and eventually ask about reaper raids.
OP, hopefully you enjoyed your journey through all those past lives. I think your future plans are like playing a different game entirely compared to the past 10 years you've spent in DDO, so please be prepared for the possibility that the experience might not match your expectations.
The biggest thing that you didn't really ask about has nothing to do with the build or the gear - it's people and playstyles. Others in this thread such as Kimbere (no relation, but I've pugged with him a few times) are far more experienced at raiding and high reaper, and his advice above looks pretty solid.
Instead of mowing through packs of mobs, you'll need to know and use tactics, kiting Doom reapers properly, taking care to not blow up the Vengeance, memorizing raid mechanics, etc. Rather than needing to do it all, you need to fill a role and do a few things well. Really well.
From what I've seen on Orien, plenty of LH raids get posted, the occasional r1, and very rarely, some r3+. For anything higher, you'll either need to be invited to join one of the handful of endgame guilds on each server, or get to know them well enough to be invited to join their mid-reaper runs on a regular basis. It might take some time - along with running LH raids for experience, start hitting r6-r10 quests to gear up, and you'll start to recognize the same names leading and joining the groups. Get to know some of them, be a reliable and useful player, and eventually ask about reaper raids.
Bjond
Well-known member
I suspect it's simpler than that; closer to "hmm, what do raids really want?" combined with "my brain is numb from TRs, remind me of some fun builds to help me recall what I liked out of all those TRs."
My brain doesn't auto-create a table of builds indexed by fun for me. It yawns with boredom at the very notion. Yeah, it's kinda funny that a completionist isn't completely knowledgeable, but it does make sense when you reflect on it a bit.
kmoustakas
Scourge of Xaos
Buffer bard obviously! Either tiefling scoundrel for ash+enchantment dcs, half-elf dragonmark stormsinger for lightning (with warlock dili) or pdk warchanter for cormyr!
Getting to the end of the line can be a bummer. I have a batch of toons at near/max level of various build to run while working on my main/3x Completionist. Having hit that, which includes the most recent update has been the carrot so to speak, which I have enjoyed. That being said the only mountain to climb now is Reaper Trees which do not interest me, 140+ and is plenty to keep up in R10. I find myself logging in less and following other hobbies/work. I see posts all the time about a catch up/ work around to be on an even playing field with maxed toons but why rush to hit a wall at the end? The sweet spot of the came for me was the 1st pass thru all lives 1x. I had fun getting the rest, but those early years were some of the best gaming/grouping in my experience. Sorting out what to keep at end game should be easy if you look back at what was the most fun vs current meta. Best of luck.