U73 Monk Handwraps Build and Reference Guide

RayRay Ramone

Well-known member
Ying, I love this writeup. One thing I'd like to see is a discussion on races. I'm digging Eladrin these days because of the Displacement SLA and the Eladrin Leap addition to SA dice.
 

mpareto

Member
I play as a dragon disciple and i ve looking at your build and started wondering on How to adapt It to a ddm build. Have you thought if this build could be adapted to it?
 
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Hobgoblin

Less Nerfy Nerfy more fixy fixy
The bite is a trap. Another button to push that doesn't do more damage than just hitting the mob.
it didn't help that much on a monk but I'm currently running a barbarian and the bite is keeping me alive through r1. it hits for about 500 for the heel which always works for me
 

Garix

Well-known member
Small query:
On the breakdown of ED's you've listed: Cores: 1-4 (Adamantine and Good are excellent bypass choices)

Trying to figure out why you've gone for Adamantine. Ki Strike: Adamantine is autogranted at lvl16 for a handwrap using monk.

Just an oops? Or are you swapping to a different weapon at some point?

As far as I can tell only crystal is worth taking. All others are covered in Shinto cores or Monk levels
 

Greybeard

Active member
Here is my Adaptation to a 1st life Human Monk. Not I had to use a +3 Dex tome to get 2 weapon fighting.


Character name: Shinyai Fist Monk
Classes: 20 Monk, E10, L4
Race: Human Alignment: Lawful Good

Start Tome Final HP: 790 Displacement: 0%
Str: 10 1 11 Unc Rng: -10 Incorp: 0%
Dex: 14 3 17 PRR: 35 AC: 40
Con: 15 0 15 MRR: 3 +Healing Amp: 50
Int: 8 0 8 Dodge: 12/28 -Healing Amp: 0
Wis: 18 0 31 Fort: 0% Repair Amp: 0
Cha: 8 0 8 SR: 30 BAB: 20
DR: 10/Epic
Immunities: Natural Poison, Disease, Spawn effects of Undead

Class and Feat Selection

LevelClassFeats
1Monk(1)Human Bonus Feat: Stunning Fist
Standard: Dodge
Monk Bonus: Mobility
Class Skills: Balance(4), Concentration(4), Tumble(4)
Cross Class Skills: Search(4)
2Monk(2)Monk Bonus: Two Weapon Fighting
Class Skills: Balance(1), Concentration(1), Tumble(1)
Cross Class Skills: Search(1)
3Monk(3)Standard: Precision
Monk Philosophy: Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness
Class Skills: Balance(1), Concentration(1), Tumble(1)
Cross Class Skills: Search(1)
4Monk(4)Wisdom: +1 Level up
Class Skills: Balance(1), Concentration(1), Tumble(1)
Cross Class Skills: Search(1)
5Monk(5)Class Skills: Balance(1), Concentration(1), Tumble(1)
Cross Class Skills: Search(1)
6Monk(6)Standard: Whirlwind Attack
Monk Bonus: Swords to Plowshares
Class Skills: Balance(1), Concentration(1), Tumble(1)
Cross Class Skills: Search(1)
7Monk(7)Class Skills: Balance(1), Concentration(1), Tumble(1)
Cross Class Skills: Search(1)
8Monk(8)Wisdom: +1 Level up
Class Skills: Balance(1), Concentration(1), Tumble(1)
Cross Class Skills: Search(1)
9Monk(9)Standard: Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Class Skills: Balance(1), Concentration(1), Tumble(1)
Cross Class Skills: Search(1)
10Monk(10)Class Skills: Balance(1), Concentration(1), Tumble(1)
Cross Class Skills: Search(1)
11Monk(11)Class Skills: Balance(1), Concentration(1), Tumble(1)
Cross Class Skills: Search(1)
12Monk(12)Standard: Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons
Wisdom: +1 Level up
Class Skills: Balance(1), Concentration(1), Tumble(1)
Cross Class Skills: Search(1)
13Monk(13)Class Skills: Balance(1), Concentration(1), Tumble(1)
Cross Class Skills: Search(1)
14Monk(14)Class Skills: Balance(1), Concentration(1), Tumble(1)
Cross Class Skills: Search(1)
15Monk(15)Standard: Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Class Skills: Balance(1), Concentration(1), Tumble(1)
Cross Class Skills: Search(1)
16Monk(16)Wisdom: +1 Level up
Class Skills: Balance(1), Concentration(1), Tumble(1)
Cross Class Skills: Search(1)
17Monk(17)Class Skills: Balance(1), Concentration(1), Tumble(1)
Cross Class Skills: Search(1)
18Monk(18)Standard: Shuriken Expertise
Class Skills: Balance(1), Concentration(1), Tumble(1)
Cross Class Skills: Search(1)
19Monk(19)Class Skills: Balance(1), Concentration(1), Tumble(1)
Cross Class Skills: Search(1)
20Monk(20)Wisdom: +1 Level up
Class Skills: Balance(1), Concentration(1), Tumble(1)
21Epic(1)Epic Feat: Overwhelming Critical
22Epic(2)Epic Destiny Feat: Doublestrike
23Epic(3)
24Epic(4)Epic Feat: Improved Martial Arts
Wisdom: +1 Level up
25Epic(5)Epic Destiny Feat: Crush Weakness
26Epic(6)
27Epic(7)Epic Feat: Deflect Arrows
28Epic(8)Epic Destiny Feat: Arcane Warrior
Wisdom: +1 Level up
29Epic(9)
30Epic(10)Epic Feat: Vorpal Strikes
Legendary Feat: Scion of Arborea
31Legendary(1)Epic Destiny Feat: Embodiment of Law
32Legendary(2)Wisdom: +1 Level up
33Legendary(3)Epic Feat: Eerie Aim
34Legendary(4)Epic Destiny Feat: Titan's Blood
Code:
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Skill Points     16  4  4  4  4  4  4  4  4  4  4  4  4  4  4  4  4  4  4  4
Skill Name       01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20  Ranks Tome Buffed
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Balance           4  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1   23.0    0   40.0
Bluff                                                                           0.0    0    9.0
Concentration     4  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1   23.0    0   35.0
Diplomacy                                                                       0.0    0    9.0
Disable Device                                                                  0.0    0    9.0
Haggle                                                                          0.0    0    9.0
Heal                                                                            0.0    0   22.0
Hide                                                                            0.0    0   13.0
Intimidate                                                                      0.0    0   11.0
Jump                                                                            0.0    0   14.0
Listen                                                                          0.0    0   24.0
Move Silently                                                                   0.0    0   13.0
Open Lock                                                                       0.0    0   13.0
Perform                                                                         0.0    0    9.0
Repair                                                                          0.0    0    9.0
Search            2  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½      11.0    0   20.0
Spellcraft                                                                      0.0    0    9.0
Spot                                                                            0.0    0   20.0
Swim                                                                            0.0    0   13.0
Tumble            4  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1   23.0    0   40.0
Use Magic Device                                                                0.0    0    9.0
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Available Points  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  1
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Enhancements: 80 APs


Human - Points spent: 6
Core1 Versatility I: Melee and Ranged Power
Core2 Adaptability: +1 Wisdom
Tier1 Skill Focus I: Athletic - 3 Ranks



Henshin Mystic - Points spent: 25
Core1 Riddle of Fire
Tier1 Porous Soul
Tier1 Animal Forms: Way of the Faithful Hound
Tier1 Exemplar - 2 Ranks
Core2 Ki Bolt
Tier2 Elemental Soul
Tier2 Elemental Ki Strikes: Knock on the Sky
Tier2 Embrace the Void - 3 Ranks
Tier3 Ability I: +1 Wisdom
Tier3 Clear Your Mind - 3 Ranks
Tier3 Mystic Kata: Kata of Ice
Core3 Cauldron of Flame
Tier4 Ability II: +1 Wisdom
Core4 Incinerating Wave



Shintao - Points spent: 40
Core1 Bastion of Purity
Tier1 Fast Hands: Melee - 3 Ranks
Tier1 Shintao Studies I
Tier1 Disciplined Training: Deft Strikes - 3 Ranks
Core2 Protection from Tainted Creatures
Tier2 Quick Strike - 3 Ranks
Tier2 Iron Skin - 3 Ranks
Tier2 Shintao Studies II
Core3 Iron Hand
Tier3 Ability I: +1 Wisdom
Tier3 Hands of Mercy: Hand of Harm
Tier3 Jade Strike
Tier3 Shintao Studies III
Core4 Argent Fist
Tier4 Ability II: +1 Wisdom
Tier4 Greater Hands of Mercy: Greater Hand of Harm
Tier4 Tomb of Jade
Tier4 Shintao Studies IV
Core5 Touch the Void Dragon
Tier5 Meditation of War
Tier5 Violence Begets Violence
Tier5 Kukan-Do
Tier5 Shintao Mastery



Ninja Spy - Points spent: 8
Core1 Basic Ninja Training
Tier1 Acrobatic - 1 Ranks
Tier1 Subtlety - 1 Ranks
Tier1 Sneak Attack Training I
Tier2 Action Boost Selection: Haste Boost - 3 Ranks



Harper Agent - Points spent: 1
Core1 Agent of Good I




This one was a transfer that I had not played in a long time (Years even because when I came back here I thought my original characters where gone since the last time I played Turbine still owned the game) So I rebuilt her following my transfer to Cormyr. I already had a stick monk there so rather than deleting her I decided to go fist. I hope I made the right choices for this one. Changing enhancement trees is not a problem if need be. Got 1 lesser heart of wood left that I found on her when I logged her in. So one shot at fixing anything else. The STR tome was done previously. Probably got that free from loot back in the day.
 

Draco

Active member
I'd drop the human points to pick up 31 in henshin for up to 5th core, and I'd drop the harper agent point to get 41 in shintao. Seeing you have 40 points there but not the capstone is painful.
I'll let someone else comment on more specifics but generally looks fine otherwise.
 

RayRay Ramone

Well-known member
Not sure why you take shuriken expertise at lvl 18 on a handwraps build. Seems like Spring Attack would be a good companion feat to Whirlwind Attack.
 

Greybeard

Active member
Yeah I see that... Was trying to follow the original build as much as possible and overlooked that it's fixed now:


Character name: Shinyai Fist Monk
Classes: 20 Monk, E10, L4
Race: Human Alignment: Lawful Good

Start Tome Final HP: 790 Displacement: 0%
Str: 10 1 11 Unc Rng: -10 Incorp: 0%
Dex: 14 3 17 PRR: 35 AC: 43
Con: 15 0 15 MRR: 3 +Healing Amp: 60
Int: 8 0 8 Dodge: 14/28 -Healing Amp: 0
Wis: 18 0 35 Fort: 0% Repair Amp: 0
Cha: 8 0 8 SR: 30 BAB: 20
DR: 10/Epic
Immunities: Natural Poison, Disease, Spawn effects of Undead

Class and Feat Selection
LevelClassFeats
1Monk(1)Human Bonus Feat: Stunning Fist
Standard: Dodge
Monk Bonus: Mobility
Class Skills: Balance(4), Concentration(4), Tumble(4)
Cross Class Skills: Search(4)
2Monk(2)Monk Bonus: Two Weapon Fighting
Class Skills: Balance(1), Concentration(1), Tumble(1)
Cross Class Skills: Search(1)
3Monk(3)Standard: Precision
Monk Philosophy: Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness
Class Skills: Balance(1), Concentration(1), Tumble(1)
Cross Class Skills: Search(1)
4Monk(4)Wisdom: +1 Level up
Class Skills: Balance(1), Concentration(1), Tumble(1)
Cross Class Skills: Search(1)
5Monk(5)Class Skills: Balance(1), Concentration(1), Tumble(1)
Cross Class Skills: Search(1)
6Monk(6)Standard: Whirlwind Attack
Monk Bonus: Swords to Plowshares
Class Skills: Balance(1), Concentration(1), Tumble(1)
Cross Class Skills: Search(1)
7Monk(7)Class Skills: Balance(1), Concentration(1), Tumble(1)
Cross Class Skills: Search(1)
8Monk(8)Wisdom: +1 Level up
Class Skills: Balance(1), Concentration(1), Tumble(1)
Cross Class Skills: Search(1)
9Monk(9)Standard: Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Class Skills: Balance(1), Concentration(1), Tumble(1)
Cross Class Skills: Search(1)
10Monk(10)Class Skills: Balance(1), Concentration(1), Tumble(1)
Cross Class Skills: Search(1)
11Monk(11)Class Skills: Balance(1), Concentration(1), Tumble(1)
Cross Class Skills: Search(1)
12Monk(12)Standard: Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons
Wisdom: +1 Level up
Class Skills: Balance(1), Concentration(1), Tumble(1)
Cross Class Skills: Search(1)
13Monk(13)Class Skills: Balance(1), Concentration(1), Tumble(1)
Cross Class Skills: Search(1)
14Monk(14)Class Skills: Balance(1), Concentration(1), Tumble(1)
Cross Class Skills: Search(1)
15Monk(15)Standard: Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Class Skills: Balance(1), Concentration(1), Tumble(1)
Cross Class Skills: Search(1)
16Monk(16)Wisdom: +1 Level up
Class Skills: Balance(1), Concentration(1), Tumble(1)
Cross Class Skills: Search(1)
17Monk(17)Class Skills: Balance(1), Concentration(1), Tumble(1)
Cross Class Skills: Search(1)
18Monk(18)Standard: Spring Attack
Class Skills: Balance(1), Concentration(1), Tumble(1)
Cross Class Skills: Search(1)
19Monk(19)Class Skills: Balance(1), Concentration(1), Tumble(1)
Cross Class Skills: Search(1)
20Monk(20)Wisdom: +1 Level up
Class Skills: Balance(1), Concentration(1), Tumble(1)
21Epic(1)Epic Feat: Overwhelming Critical
22Epic(2)Epic Destiny Feat: Doublestrike
23Epic(3)
24Epic(4)Epic Feat: Improved Martial Arts
Wisdom: +1 Level up
25Epic(5)Epic Destiny Feat: Crush Weakness
26Epic(6)
27Epic(7)Epic Feat: Deflect Arrows
28Epic(8)Epic Destiny Feat: Arcane Warrior
Wisdom: +1 Level up
29Epic(9)
30Epic(10)Epic Feat: Vorpal Strikes
Legendary Feat: Scion of Arborea
31Legendary(1)Epic Destiny Feat: Embodiment of Law
32Legendary(2)Wisdom: +1 Level up
33Legendary(3)Epic Feat: Eerie Aim
34Legendary(4)Epic Destiny Feat: Titan's Blood
Code:
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Skill Points     16  4  4  4  4  4  4  4  4  4  4  4  4  4  4  4  4  4  4  4
Skill Name       01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20  Ranks Tome Buffed
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Balance           4  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1   23.0    0   40.0
Bluff                                                                           0.0    0    9.0
Concentration     4  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1   23.0    0   35.0
Diplomacy                                                                       0.0    0    9.0
Disable Device                                                                  0.0    0    9.0
Haggle                                                                          0.0    0    9.0
Heal                                                                            0.0    0   24.0
Hide                                                                            0.0    0   13.0
Intimidate                                                                      0.0    0   11.0
Jump                                                                            0.0    0   14.0
Listen                                                                          0.0    0   26.0
Move Silently                                                                   0.0    0   13.0
Open Lock                                                                       0.0    0   13.0
Perform                                                                         0.0    0    9.0
Repair                                                                          0.0    0    9.0
Search            2  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½      11.0    0   20.0
Spellcraft                                                                      0.0    0    9.0
Spot                                                                            0.0    0   22.0
Swim                                                                            0.0    0   13.0
Tumble            4  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1   23.0    0   40.0
Use Magic Device                                                                0.0    0    9.0
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Available Points  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  1
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Enhancements: 80 APs

Human - Points spent: 6
Core1 Versatility I: Melee and Ranged Power
Core2 Adaptability: +1 Wisdom
Tier1 Skill Focus I: Athletic - 3 Ranks

Henshin Mystic - Points spent: 25
Core1 Riddle of Fire
Tier1 Porous Soul
Tier1 Animal Forms: Way of the Faithful Hound
Tier1 Exemplar - 2 Ranks
Core2 Ki Bolt
Tier2 Elemental Soul
Tier2 Elemental Ki Strikes: Knock on the Sky
Tier2 Embrace the Void - 3 Ranks
Tier3 Ability I: +1 Wisdom
Tier3 Clear Your Mind - 3 Ranks
Core3 Cauldron of Flame
Tier3 Mystic Kata: Kata of Ice
Tier4 Ability II: +1 Wisdom
Core4 Incinerating Wave

Shintao - Points spent: 41
Core1 Bastion of Purity
Tier1 Fast Hands: Melee - 3 Ranks
Tier1 Shintao Studies I
Tier1 Disciplined Training: Deft Strikes - 3 Ranks
Core2 Protection from Tainted Creatures
Tier2 Quick Strike - 3 Ranks
Tier2 Iron Skin - 3 Ranks
Tier2 Shintao Studies II
Core3 Iron Hand
Tier3 Ability I: +1 Wisdom
Tier3 Hands of Mercy: Hand of Harm
Tier3 Jade Strike
Tier3 Shintao Studies III
Core4 Argent Fist
Tier4 Ability II: +1 Wisdom
Tier4 Greater Hands of Mercy: Greater Hand of Harm
Tier4 Tomb of Jade
Tier4 Shintao Studies IV
Core5 Touch the Void Dragon
Tier5 Meditation of War
Tier5 Violence Begets Violence
Tier5 Kukan-Do
Tier5 Shintao Mastery
Core6 To Seek Perfection

Ninja Spy - Points spent: 8
Core1 Basic Ninja Training
Tier1 Acrobatic - 1 Ranks
Tier1 Subtlety - 1 Ranks
Tier1 Sneak Attack Training I
Tier2 Action Boost Selection: Haste Boost - 3 Ranks

 

Greybeard

Active member
Oh and as far as climbing up the Henshin tree instead... I already have a Henshin Stick Monk on the server only reason I didn't delete this one is that she's a level higher than the Henshin so I want to do something different with this one.
 

Garix

Well-known member
Oh and as far as climbing up the Henshin tree instead... I already have a Henshin Stick Monk on the server only reason I didn't delete this one is that she's a level higher than the Henshin so I want to do something different with this one.
Just can't help but think that losing the halved cooldown of Cauldron of Flame(core 5) may well end up biting you on the rear end.
 

Draco

Active member
Agreed, it's a big dps boost having basically full uptime on that (at least when you're sticking close to it), from arcane warrior, as well as the general mp, prr, and imbue dice the extra core gives.
 

Greybeard

Active member
Ok worked it in. Gave up Ninja spy tree and ended up with 2 extra points to give me a free rez from the top of the Shintao tree. At least that looked worth taking.


Enhancements: 80 APs

Human - Points spent: 6
Core1 Versatility I: Melee and Ranged Power
Core2 Adaptability: +1 Wisdom
Tier1 Skill Focus I: Athletic - 3 Ranks

Henshin Mystic - Points spent: 31
Core1 Riddle of Fire
Tier1 Porous Soul
Tier1 Animal Forms: Way of the Faithful Hound
Tier1 Exemplar - 2 Ranks
Tier1 Ki Shout
Core2 Ki Bolt
Tier2 Elemental Soul
Tier2 Elemental Ki Strikes: Knock on the Sky
Tier2 Embrace the Void - 3 Ranks
Tier3 Ability I: +1 Wisdom
Tier3 Clear Your Mind - 3 Ranks
Core3 Cauldron of Flame
Tier3 Mystic Kata: Kata of Ice
Tier4 Ability II: +1 Wisdom
Core4 Incinerating Wave
Tier4 Mystic Kata Upgrade: Kata of Dark Stars
Tier4 Focus
Core5 Improved Cauldron

Shintao - Points spent: 43
Core1 Bastion of Purity
Tier1 Fast Hands: Melee - 3 Ranks
Tier1 Shintao Studies I
Tier1 Disciplined Training: Deft Strikes - 3 Ranks
Core2 Protection from Tainted Creatures
Tier2 Quick Strike - 3 Ranks
Tier2 Iron Skin - 3 Ranks
Tier2 Shintao Studies II
Core3 Iron Hand
Tier3 Ability I: +1 Wisdom
Tier3 Hands of Mercy: Hand of Harm
Tier3 Jade Strike
Tier3 Shintao Studies III
Core4 Argent Fist
Tier4 Ability II: +1 Wisdom
Tier4 Greater Hands of Mercy: Greater Hand of Harm
Tier4 Tomb of Jade
Tier4 Shintao Studies IV
Core5 Touch the Void Dragon
Tier5 Meditation of War
Tier5 Violence Begets Violence
Tier5 Kukan-Do
Tier5 Shintao Mastery
Tier5 Rise of the Phoenix
Core6 To Seek Perfection

 

Monicle le Blair

Well-known member
Help my blue bar brain understand handwraps, pretty please?
If that weapon have 100% off hand strike chance by default, why do you take the whole two weapon fight feats? Just for the extra hp on heroic durability?
 

peng

Well-known member
Wraps have full offhand *doublestrike*, meaning perfect two weapon fighting does nothing but give hp (unless you swap to a pair of debuffer kamas). The heroic two weapon fighting feats still give offhand *strike* chance, getting you to 90% with shintao deft strikes (100% if in wind stance with meditation of war, or wait until epics to get to 100% out of wind stance).
 

YTSESoldier

Well-known member
Silly question, I have always been a shintao or die kinda guy but with being able to keep cauldron up nearly 100% of the time and tier6 henshin giving 5 hit/dmg and 1 crit multi on 19-20 im wondering how this would compare to tier 5 shinato. It would be loss in quests on trash but should be a gain on bosses and raids.
 
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