U81 Preview 1 - Feat Recategorization

[Tonquin]

Howdy all! With Update 81 we're trying something experimental - the removal of the Epic and Legendary feat display categories for the character sheet and level-up flow. All Epic and Legendary feats themselves are unchanged, but visually, they have been dispersed throughout the feat list to match up with their usage and prerequisites, much like normal feats.

This is a pretty significant change with some pretty significant pros and cons. The biggest pro being that, with these feats dispersed, finding the one you want is actually much easier, as it's sorted into a category with the rest of the similar feats. However, this is a big change, and we wanted to give you all space to discuss if this is something we should move forward with.

So, if you've checked this out on Lamannia, please let us know what you think!

 

[Gavaleus]

That does make much more sense. Hopped on Lamannia and it looks good. Ship it!

 

[after human]

a long awaited change

 

[Jolyma]

It isn't something I like in Feat Selection. Previously, you could easily see which feats were epic and legendary when choosing a new feat. Now they're mixed in, and they don't stand out. If there was a way to distinguish easily, like a highlight or text color, that would be a different story.

In my Feat Tab on my Character Page, I like it. It's a much cleaner look.

 

[Tharminator]

agreed if we can't sort them to the top, they should stand out as different. i drag them off my bars too often... yes i can lock bars but then i forget how to unlock...

 

[drjoans]

Honestly we should have a search field to just type the feat you're looking for so its easy to grab and put on your bar

Edit: This would also be great when selecting feats on level ups

 

[Solarpower]

A disgusting change.
Instead of creating more categories, you mix everything together.

 

[Sythe777]

can we just have no categories other than those permanent to the character (tomes, PLs, cosmetic, etc) and make it all alphabetical?

 

[Monkey_Archer]

I think this change will be a minor inconvenience for me. Selecting epic feats from the top of the list was easier IMO, but its fine, ill get used to it eventually.

Either way, allowing UI scaling so we can see more than 7 feats at a time would be a real game changer if that ever becomes possible.

 

[axel15810]

A move in the right direction for sure! Sounds good, there's too many categories and it makes it harder to find things not easier so am glad to see some being removed. I posted something similar in the suggestions forum last week: https://forums.ddo.com/index.php?threads/please-add-feat-sorting-options-on-the-leveling-ui.28809/

If possible, it would be even better if you could give us the option to sort all feats in a single alphabetical list or add a search function.

 

[Djoe]

Would it be too much trouble to have an optional categorization of the old (current) system but make the new categorization the default? That way I think most people would be happy.

 

[Zaszgul]

Eh, I prefer the epic categorization. Epic feats are mostly much stronger than heroic, to the point that I almost never take a heroic feat at 20+; I don't need all these heroic feats cluttering things up and slowing down the leveling process.

 

[Spyderwolf]

this feels like a pointless change that only makes leveling past 20 more tedious having to go hunt the epic/legendary feat down from the full list

 

[Defunct]

Honestly we should have a search field to just type the feat you're looking for so its easy to grab and put on your bar

Edit: This would also be great when selecting feats on level ups

Or just make the boomer jank list a node map

 

[Neain]

I would prefer that the epic and legendary feats stay in their own category (sorted by name) when im leveling (because its VERY rare that I want a heroic feat once im 20+), but once I have it, it shouldn't be too big a deal if they then slot into the normal categories

 

[Solarpower]

Why should players always be shown epic and legendary feats to choose from, right from level 1 ?
SSG did what SSG does the best : ruin the usability.

 

[Sammy]

I would prefer the change. I never did like that my metamagics were separated. But I do think epic feats should still be distinguishable.

You could add a parenthetical to the name of each one like:

Intensify Spell (Epic)
Scion of Whatever (Legendary)

Or you could abbreviate them to look less intrusive:

Intensify Spell [E]
Scion of Whatever [L]

That might look a bit mysterious to new players but it's the kind of thing you remember forever after being told once.

Personally, I would like the identifier in front like:

[E] Intensify Spell
[L] Scion of Whatever

That way, they can go in their appropriate categories but alphabetization will automatically organize them together.

[E] Embolden Spell
[E] Intensify Spell
Empower Spell
Maximize Spell

looks better to me than:

Embolden Spell
Empower Spell
Intensify Spell
Maximize Spell

 

[Kitty2Meow]

Howdy all! With Update 81 we're trying something experimental - the removal of the Epic and Legendary feat display categories for the character sheet and level-up flow. All Epic and Legendary feats themselves are unchanged, but visually, they have been dispersed throughout the feat list to match up with their usage and prerequisites, much like normal feats.

This is a pretty significant change with some pretty significant pros and cons. The biggest pro being that, with these feats dispersed, finding the one you want is actually much easier, as it's sorted into a category with the rest of the similar feats. However, this is a big change, and we wanted to give you all space to discuss if this is something we should move forward with.

So, if you've checked this out on Lamannia, please let us know what you think!

Since the Epic and Legendary feat display are being updated, please add an Free (or Empty Selection) Epic Reincarnation option for players who already have completed all 54 Epic Lives. So that Epic completionist players do not need to use a Lesser Heart just to change feats (as some feats can not be changed with Fred).

Consuming an Epic Heat of Wood will be fine and reasonable, but not Lesser Heart as it will be too expensive

 

[Sammy]

Also, while you're looking at feats... any chance you could uncheck "Show Unavailable" by default when leveling up? It's honestly a pain to uncheck that every time.

 

[dur]

Grr. Now I feel compelled to reinstall Lamannia.