Undeniable Proof DA IS HAPPENING IN RAIDS

rabidfox

rabidfox

The People's Champion
Alerts in raids happen, lots of mobs to do so.

Comparing 2 raids runs side by side for numbers is hard to do unless the party composite didn't change. Unless you personally carry ash, dust, ooze, vacuum, etc. on your weapons (and/or can insure that the raid is always running the same debuffs every time and that they have the same uptime) then numbers between two different runs can be vastly higher or lower.
 
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JaynChar2019

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yeah got that but my hunch its not the only one and with the new updates how much harder are raids gonna be??????????????
 
Arcanaverse

Arcanaverse

Solver of Secrets
DA alert in FoTP being possible is not new with u59 or the DA alert changes.

And with the changes coming, nothing is changing unless it gets to red. However, they've already said a few times now that they're going to be addressing area with DA issues. FoTP should certainly be on the list.
 
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JaynChar2019

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Ok so I have been pouring through the babas raid we did on the 16th (32 mins to complete) and the one we did on the 22nd which took us an 1hr and 15 mins to complete. I need to export both then upload to Youtube so I just took screen shots of normal damage from 1st raid and nerfed damage from 2nd raid. I ran the same blight caster toon same gear and all that nothing different on my end so I can't understand why I was doing sooo little damage in that raid compared to the first and it took us that long to finish when we generally run this within about 30 mins.

I mean I go from doing 1,000 - 10,000's of worth damage to low hundreds and even double digits???

Also in the second raid I was getting affected by horrid wilting even though I am immune, it said I was immune, then said I saved and yet I still got hit with damage.

Also 90% damage of blighted spirit (which since I am a blight caster shouldn't I be immune?) from the shambling mound reducing my hp to 116 points and I looked around at my team several others had also been hit with this and had very low XP. I checked the first vid and didn't see that happen to anyone. I don't believe I ever seen it before.

Something was definitely up in the 2nd raid that completely nerfed our damage and even though a DA didn't proc on screen it sure seems to me it did in the background, we had the same usual 9 folks and a few other friends that are good and run with us when they happen to catch our raids and join the lfm. It has never took us an 1hr and 15 mins to complete this raid but we were doing severely reduced damage and was taking forever to bring these down.

You have to click on the picture below to go to imagur to see all I uploaded.
https://imgur.com/a/qnp83IZ
 
Mand O'Lin

Mand O'Lin

Singer of Songs Drinker of Drinks
Arcanaverse said:
DA alert in FoTP being possible is not new with u59 or the DA alert changes.

And with the changes coming, nothing is changing unless it gets to red. However, they've already said a few times now that they're going to be addressing area with DA issues. FoTP should certainly be on the list.
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"should" being the operative word here.

In my experience with DDO there have been countless "should" situations... very, VERY few with resolution.
 
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Wisefreelancer

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Few things:
  • Why do you believe you should be immune to Horrid Wilting? In a quick check of the wiki I couldn't find any suggestion a Blight Caster would be. Horrid wilting has a normal damage against fleshie targets and a second higher damage against plants - in wildshape you are a plant so immune to the first and vulnerable to the second.
  • Why do you believe you should be immune to Blight Spirit? Even if you were immune to normal abilities like this, its a core raid mechanic and the game rarely allows players to bypass those entirely?
  • Are you 100% sure the difficulty is the same between the two runs?
  • If so, one pause cause of difference between your damage in the runs is MRR reduction. If someone in the first run was using very strong MRR reduction and not in the second, you would see a damage difference (although it is possibly quite large here).
  • Its hard to compare your damage logs because its unclear what spells are causing what damage. Having a pre- and post- "nerf" set with identifiable spells would help - the pre- has Call Lightning Storm critting a few times for example which is at least identifiable.
I haven't raided since U59 but I certainly experienced wildly different completion times and difficulties in pre-U59 raids depending on party composition, debuffs, etc. A 1hr+ Baba is horrible but not entirely unheard of on R+ difficulties.
 
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JaynChar2019

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Wisefreelancer said:
Few things:
  • Why do you believe you should be immune to Horrid Wilting? In a quick check of the wiki I couldn't find any suggestion a Blight Caster would be. Horrid wilting has a normal damage against fleshie targets and a second higher damage against plants - in wildshape you are a plant so immune to the first and vulnerable to the second.
  • Why do you believe you should be immune to Blight Spirit? Even if you were immune to normal abilities like this, its a core raid mechanic and the game rarely allows players to bypass those entirely?
  • Are you 100% sure the difficulty is the same between the two runs?
  • If so, one pause cause of difference between your damage in the runs is MRR reduction. If someone in the first run was using very strong MRR reduction and not in the second, you would see a damage difference (although it is possibly quite large here).
  • Its hard to compare your damage logs because its unclear what spells are causing what damage. Having a pre- and post- "nerf" set with identifiable spells would help - the pre- has Call Lightning Storm critting a few times for example which is at least identifiable.
I haven't raided since U59 but I certainly experienced wildly different completion times and difficulties in pre-U59 raids depending on party composition, debuffs, etc. A 1hr+ Baba is horrible but not entirely unheard of on R+ difficulties.
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Because it said in the combat log that I was immune so it made me wonder why I was taking damage and it said I saved as well. Yes reaper 1 both times. Well I am a blight caster so it seems like I should be immune but was asking the question if I should be or not. I am working on processing the vids here is the first one with normal damage and run time.
 
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JaynChar2019

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Ok here are both vids, a lot of the same folks on diff toons still a good group dynamic. I was getting some 1000's damage on baba but not like I was in the 1st raid a lot more lower 1000's and hundreds. First raid had higher 1000's damage even up to 6,000 at one point. Again I changed nothing on my toon.

32 min raid:
1hr 15 min raid:

Similar make up of spell casters/melee/ranged no other 1st lifers but me

We had the same tank doing the same job with the Dooms at the end fight yet we all got hit with blighted spirit this time which has never happened to me before and we have run this raid probably at least 75 times by now. We run raids most nights for the last 2 years. Question, is that blighted spirit AOE across the entire board or can you be far enough away not to get it? I ask because whole party got the hp nerf.

And if anyone could enlighten me on her immunities because it seems there is def something but doesn't say anything anywhere.
 
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JaynChar2019

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Got red alert in chrono yesterday. I'll post a pic later. If they are gonna implment this new DA system they need to at least take it out of raids that auto proc this stuff. It's the hardest content already PLEASE PLEASE dont make raids unplayable for us little folk.
 
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