Unsinful
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Adding my new Paladin Thrower to my build repository as well as adding the link to the OP. Its the most fun thrower I have played in a while. So strong and very tanky.
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Fisto Mk I
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Well... i have favored Attuned IoD shuriken...
Currently run 2/18 Pally/Monk, planning 2/6/12 Pally/Monk/DH next life, but really wanna try split with more Pally lvl too. 8)
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I went through a couple splits. Nothing touched this one. The ranged power is higher, the crit profile is better. The healing is amazing and having 22 exalted smites + a way to regen them is massive for dps.Well... i have favored Attuned IoD shuriken...
Currently run 2/18 Pally/Monk, planning 2/6/12 Pally/Monk/DH next life, but really wanna try split with more Pally lvl too. 8)
Fisto Mk I
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Some questions...
+2 Alchemical WIS instead DEX? Why? +2 WIS provide +1 RP full time (+2 half-time), +2 DEX provide +4 DS and +1 to Attack/Damage full time, it's +300% damage boost per effect slot.
T3 SD Dark Imbuement instead Paranoia. Why? Usual even non-caster build have significant amount Force SP, more than RP/MP. How many Force SP you have?
Arborea instead Ethereal Plane?
Enemy of My Own instead Fey Form?
Nerve Venom and Fey Countenance... put this 3 point in SD can provide Cut to the Soul and Bring Darkness... it's more damage output, no (of course, you need 2 more DP to get progression 20 first)?
Don't see your filigrees setup.
+2 Alchemical WIS instead DEX? Why? +2 WIS provide +1 RP full time (+2 half-time), +2 DEX provide +4 DS and +1 to Attack/Damage full time, it's +300% damage boost per effect slot.
T3 SD Dark Imbuement instead Paranoia. Why? Usual even non-caster build have significant amount Force SP, more than RP/MP. How many Force SP you have?
Arborea instead Ethereal Plane?
Enemy of My Own instead Fey Form?
Nerve Venom and Fey Countenance... put this 3 point in SD can provide Cut to the Soul and Bring Darkness... it's more damage output, no (of course, you need 2 more DP to get progression 20 first)?
Don't see your filigrees setup.
Unsinful
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The +2 alchemical Wisdom vs Dex is something that I have gone back and forth with. Simply haven't swapped it and made a new weapon. and my alchemical wisdom kama has an amazing curse on it. (+2 dex)Some questions...
+2 Alchemical WIS instead DEX? Why? +2 WIS provide +1 RP full time (+2 half-time), +2 DEX provide +4 DS and +1 to Attack/Damage full time, it's +300% damage boost per effect slot.
T3 SD Dark Imbuement instead Paranoia. Why? Usual even non-caster build have significant amount Force SP, more than RP/MP. How many Force SP you have?
Arborea instead Ethereal Plane?
Enemy of My Own instead Fey Form?
Nerve Venom and Fey Countenance... put this 3 point in SD can provide Cut to the Soul and Bring Darkness... it's more damage output, no (of course, you need 2 more DP to get progression 20 first)?
Don't see your filigrees setup.
T3 I take Dark Imbuement, that is a picture bug with the planner. full boosts going I am around 675-700 Ranged Power.
Arborea because it gives 20 ranged power and an imbue dice (getting me to exactly 14)
Fey Form Does nothing for me. 10 DR is pitiful and I don't use spellpower for anything. Enemy of My Own at least gives me another mob type to do some additional damage to.
Fey Countenance for Ranged Power and Nerve Venom is great for having some cc while soloing. If you have more Destiny Points (which you can have) then you can fit Bring Darkness and Cut to the Soul. I choose the CC over that slightly higher damage because I solo a lot of high reaper.
Filigree is:
In Weapon - Raid Ranged Power rare, Shattered Device Raid Rare, +2 Raid Dex, Crackshot Ranged Rare, Crackshot Attack/Damage Rare, Deadly Rain RP Rare, Deadly Rain Attack/Damage Rare, Long Shadow RP Rare, Wreathe of Flame RP Rare, Shattered RP Rare
Artifact - Raid Ranged Power rare, Shattered Device Raid Rare, +2 Raid Dex, Shattered Device RP Rare, Crackshot RP Rare
the filigree set up isn't listed because I didn't link in a gear spreadsheet and I didn't want to add an entire page just for filigree. Every time I recommend filigree, people run their own for what better suits them anyway.
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Unsinful
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Dragon Lord has almost nothing for ranged and going tier 5 would be wasting at least 20 AP
Halfling is just an okay race, Eladrin is more dps and offers the +% to hit bonuses in the cores.
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Any imbue build can cause issues with tanks and aggro. The best thing you can do is mitigate your threat generation. Since the game doesn’t say what does or does not work on imbues, we just have to guess.
Taking the threat reduction in shiradi tier 4 and shadowdancer tier 1 seem to help. As does the Essence of Dark Diversion augment. My pally thrower is way more dps and doesn’t have too many aggro issues unless I’m fully boosting.
I think if you just get some threat reduction you won’t have any issues, especially on an alt. However I’ve heard some rumors that something about inquis is vastly overperforming, so be mindful of that.
Fisto Mk I
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Well... more question then... 8)
You say you have 360 stand still RP. It's in city or in reaper quest? I ask because i have all RP bonuses from sets, augment, more RP in filigrees and +7 from Mythic/Reaper bonuses, and have only 288 in city. But in same time i have 506 Force SP, and Paranoia obviously provide more boost to damage... for me.
Can you clarify your RP and how many Force SP you have? And what critical/multiplier and damage mod your weapon have? I'm pretty sure with all you PL, completionists feats and better gear you have much more SP than i. 8)
About RP boost now. You have 4 (really 5, but you say about 4 only ). Action boost +30, Trick Shot +40 half-time or +20 full, 10k 72 half-time or +36 full, +75 Archer's Focus and +30 additional while Inexorable Advance active. It's 360+20+36 = 416 RP sustained or 360+247 = 607 RP burst. Obviously Archer's Focus boost applied only for boss fight and only while Epic Moment active if you solo play, so even non-boss burst RP = 502.
Remember, even my Force SP on my humble 2nd life Pally/Monk is 506? It's more than your burst RP for non-boss fight! I'm sure your much more advanced toon have also much more Force RP, because only from Arborea you get 40! And Any can get +50 more from alchemical potions for much more, seni-permanent time than any your boost.
I analyze filigrees setup slightly later. Almost fall for sleep now.
Oh, gratz, it's awesome curse really and have +2 WIS and+2 DEX better than only +2 DEX, lol. 8)
Your picture correct and show Dark Imbuement icon. My question was why DI instead Paranoia.
You say you have 360 stand still RP. It's in city or in reaper quest? I ask because i have all RP bonuses from sets, augment, more RP in filigrees and +7 from Mythic/Reaper bonuses, and have only 288 in city. But in same time i have 506 Force SP, and Paranoia obviously provide more boost to damage... for me.
Can you clarify your RP and how many Force SP you have? And what critical/multiplier and damage mod your weapon have? I'm pretty sure with all you PL, completionists feats and better gear you have much more SP than i. 8)
About RP boost now. You have 4 (really 5, but you say about 4 only
). Action boost +30, Trick Shot +40 half-time or +20 full, 10k 72 half-time or +36 full, +75 Archer's Focus and +30 additional while Inexorable Advance active. It's 360+20+36 = 416 RP sustained or 360+247 = 607 RP burst. Obviously Archer's Focus boost applied only for boss fight and only while Epic Moment active if you solo play, so even non-boss burst RP = 502.Remember, even my Force SP on my humble 2nd life Pally/Monk is 506? It's more than your burst RP for non-boss fight! I'm sure your much more advanced toon have also much more Force RP, because only from Arborea you get 40! And Any can get +50 more from alchemical potions for much more, seni-permanent time than any your boost.
If you don't use SP - sure. But it's question if use SP can be better than RP or not. Because if use SP, Fey Form give 43 Force SP for you. And it's permanent bonus, mot temporal.
Correct!
I analyze filigrees setup slightly later. Almost fall for sleep now.
And question here, +2 A/D, +15RP and +1 ID is better than 6d6 SA dice and permanent Invisibility Guard? If use SP for Epic strike, Arborea provide also +40 Force SP, it's nice free permanent boost.
Fisto Mk I
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Now, filigrees... 8)
2 Spines of the Manticore/The Wreath of Flame (r) - mandatory
2 Bravery Throughout/Shattered Device (r) - obviously trade-off damage vs. survivability. For more damage +1A/D or 5% Fort bypass from same set available, but it's trade +8MRR/8PRR against +2 A/D or +10% Fort bypass.
2 +2 DEX: Treachery/Twilight's Cloak (r) i think (because second +2 DEX is worse) - post-U49 trap, any +5RP filigree with +5RP more from 2pc set provide more damage output. Other hand, it also can be trade off for survivability +8PRR.
2 Shattered Device RP (r) - mandatory for 4pc set bonuses
2 Crackshot RP (r) - mandatory
1 Crackshot A/D (r) - mandatory
1 Long Shadow RP (r) - very good
1 Deadly Rain RP (r) - good (not best)
1 Deadly Rain A/D (r) - good if base damage <50, bad if >50, must be change to DEX (r)
1 Wreathe of Flame RP (r) - good
Change Treachery/Twilight's Cloak (r) to another Long Shadow RP (r) and Long Shadow DEX (r) provide more damage output (15 RP +2DS +2 ID vs. 5RP +8DS) but lose 6PRR.
Unsinful
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Ranged Power standing in town right now is 358. Then I gain 21 from a spell buff and another 21 in reaper. Puts me at 400 in reaper mode. Add another 15 from a pot if I want to use one. Then Boost +30, Epic Moment +30, Trick Shot for +40, 10K stars for 76, Archers Focus for 75. 666. My force spellpower could break 600, but it would fall short of my ranged power still and I would have to find a way to fit force spellpower into my gear somewhere instead of just using a coalesced ruby because im losing 50 there. If I do that, I lose healing power.Well... more question then... 8)
Oh, gratz, it's awesome curse really and have +2 WIS and+2 DEX better than only +2 DEX, lol. 8)
Your picture correct and show Dark Imbuement icon. My question was why DI instead Paranoia.
You say you have 360 stand still RP. It's in city or in reaper quest? I ask because i have all RP bonuses from sets, augment, more RP in filigrees and +7 from Mythic/Reaper bonuses, and have only 288 in city. But in same time i have 506 Force SP, and Paranoia obviously provide more boost to damage... for me.
Can you clarify your RP and how many Force SP you have? And what critical/multiplier and damage mod your weapon have? I'm pretty sure with all you PL, completionists feats and better gear you have much more SP than i. 8)
About RP boost now. You have 4 (really 5, but you say about 4 only
Remember, even my Force SP on my humble 2nd life Pally/Monk is 506? It's more than your burst RP for non-boss fight! I'm sure your much more advanced toon have also much more Force RP, because only from Arborea you get 40! And Any can get +50 more from alchemical potions for much more, seni-permanent time than any your boost.
If you don't use SP - sure. But it's question if use SP can be better than RP or not. Because if use SP, Fey Form give 43 Force SP for you. And it's permanent bonus, mot temporal.
Correct!
I analyze filigrees setup slightly later. Almost fall for sleep now.
And question here, +2 A/D, +15RP and +1 ID is better than 6d6 SA dice and permanent Invisibility Guard? If use SP for Epic strike, Arborea provide also +40 Force SP, it's nice free permanent boost.
As for my legendary feat; I don't have a solid way to proc sneak attacks. I have improved deception on my gear but I don't rely on it and I am likely to pull aggro due to the incredibly high dps. Also, to add to it, I need the +1 imbue dice to 14.
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I'm unlikely to change any of my filigree. They are too set and My stats are even and set the way I like them. The PRR loss isn't worth a slight dps boost when my dps is already as high as it is and I will pull aggro. Those extra points of PRR from multiple places add up to a lot.
Fisto Mk I
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But... how?! You have 70RP more than me. Ok, Shot in the Run from KotC provide 6, but all other?!
I see 72 WIS in your sheet, not 76.
How many you have currently, without any changes, in city and in reaper?
Remember, you can get +43 from change Enemy of My Own to Fey Form
+25 stacking Alchemical USP from CoV potion
+25 stacking Alchemical Force from potion of Superior Impact
It's +93 Force SP. 8)
The Eye of Lamannia solve problem with healing power too.
You can get +2 ID for price 6 PRR, as i show above. But if you can put Paranoia to use, it could be bad change because you lose 40 Force SP from Arborea.
You can safely change Deadly Rain A/D (r) to Deadly Rain DEX (r), it just double (really more than double) damage output from filigree slot. More free damage always good! 8)
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As for how my ranged power is higher. I have a +5 ranged power curse. Both of my rings have reaper +5 prr. I have reaper power boost bracers and trinket. I also have a reaper boosted belt. Then I have the +21 from spell and 6 from shot on the run. I also gain 5 when I smite from exalted smite. On top of that I’m gaining another 10 from tier 5 kotc.But... how?! You have 70RP more than me. Ok, Shot in the Run from KotC provide 6, but all other?!
I see 72 WIS in your sheet, not 76.
How many you have currently, without any changes, in city and in reaper?
Remember, you can get +43 from change Enemy of My Own to Fey Form
+25 stacking Alchemical USP from CoV potion
+25 stacking Alchemical Force from potion of Superior Impact
It's +93 Force SP. 8)
The Eye of Lamannia solve problem with healing power too.
You can get +2 ID for price 6 PRR, as i show above. But if you can put Paranoia to use, it could be bad change because you lose 40 Force SP from Arborea.
You can safely change Deadly Rain A/D (r) to Deadly Rain DEX (r), it just double (really more than double) damage output from filigree slot. More free damage always good! 8)
76 wisdom in reaper. 78 if I have a bard. Funnily enough I shuffled some stuff and got a +2 wisdom curse. I also found out my ship buffs didn’t have the +2 wisdom and idk why.
With a +100 augment and +12 from reaper my force spellpower is 423 in reaper. I’d need to gain over 250 to get above my ranged power.
The filigree swapping to imbue dice doesn’t help me. I won’t swap out defense for a tiny dps boost as I’ve already said and I have no use for spellpower. My spellpower won’t break my ranged power, I tried.
This is the reason I don’t post filigree. I didn’t ask for, nor care about, a point by point filigree breakdown. This is to show MY build not what you would do to change it. I find a balance between defense and dps and I stick to it. I spend tons of time looking over stuff and comparing before I post a build.
Thank you for trying but this thread is meant to host my builds and answer questions. It’s not a breakdown point of point of my build. If you would like to play it and change it, go for it.
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Personally haven’t done any math but I always tumble to enter a fight so it’s worth it there alone. During a boss you lose 2 stacks of archers focus if you tumble for the +40 so it’s still a gain by a bit. And during epic moment you can tumble every 4 seconds and keep archers focus stacked. There’s no other feat worth taking imo. There’s also so many mechanics and circles and spells that you have to constantly move out of anyway that it can be hard to keep archers stacked. I’m a huge proponent of tumbling in my gameplay to avoid attacks, move out of stuff or just get the big dodge bonus when a mob gets too close. No brainer choice for me.