Veteran Status TR

[nmhrtbrk]

The question has been asked many times. I think it would be awesome if it was treated like an earned iconic (once earned or bought players can TR into veteran status) - of course it could be a VIP perk too to have at some point access to the level 10 variant(VIP only). This would certainly speed up past life accumulation while giving players even more control on the builds that early game levels may be difficult or tedious with out compromising the base racial tree (for an iconic). Would also say its fair to treat it like Iconics and require a level 30 plateau for the reincarnation ( no new reincarnation feats though-just standard because the instant level jump on the perfect build is the reward here).
Thank you for your consideration. NM
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https://ddowiki.com/page/Veteran_Status

 

[Drachmor]

Am I understanding correctly - you’d reincarnate and start at level 10, kind of like how an iconic starts at level 15. But now you need to wait until level 30 before you can reincarnate? If you do so, will you get an Epic and a Heroic past life, like an Iconic?

 

[mikarddo]

Let VIP start at level 4 after a TR and obviously TR at level 20 still.

 

[nmhrtbrk]

Am I understanding correctly - you’d reincarnate and start at level 10, kind of like how an iconic starts at level 15. But now you need to wait until level 30 before you can reincarnate? If you do so, will you get an Epic and a Heroic past life, like an Iconic?

Not like an iconc (they have special past life feats) just the standard epic and other (racial-class reincarnate feats). Level 10 would logically be reserved for VIP's as a perk- level 4 and 7 could be earned as standard favor rewards for any with the required favor on a server.

 

[nmhrtbrk]

Let VIP start at level 4 after a TR and obviously TR at level 20 still.

Yes level 4 should be reincarnate level 20 for all the player base f2p or VIP (level 10 though made more sense to make it a go to 30 route). I would be happy no matter what just to be able to get a few levels ahead on a multi life character using Veteran status. If the Developers decide 4 is reincarnate at 20 or 30 I would take it either way. Level 4 should be given to f2p's at minimum- might be 7 and 10 are tiers on the VIP program or just 10. Up to Developers.

 

[Drachmor]

Not like an iconc (they have special past life feats) just the standard epic and other (racial-class reincarnate feats). Level 10 would logically be reserved for VIP's as a perk- level 4 and 7 could be earned as standard favor rewards for any with the required favor on a server.

Ah. I fully understand now, and I disagree completely. VIPs should not be skipping the first 10 heroic levels.

 

[Drachmor]

If people want to skip the first 4 levels, they can bank xp crystals and maybe run a couple of quests.

I don’t understand why people are so hellbent on not playing the game that they play; I personally enjoy the early levels greatly, and there is way too much content before level 10 to justify this skip being good for the game. Especially as it would only vastly divide VIP / non-vip further, veterans and new players further.

Do we really want there to be so little experienced player presence in the levels where new players are entering the game?

 

[nmhrtbrk]

If people want to skip the first 4 levels, they can bank xp crystals and maybe run a couple of quests.

I don’t understand why people are so hellbent on not playing the game that they play; I personally enjoy the early levels greatly, and there is way too much content before level 10 to justify this skip being good for the game. Especially as it would only vastly divide VIP / non-vip further, veterans and new players further.

Do we really want there to be so little experienced player presence in the levels where new players are entering the game?

Fair points- well I think the Veteran Status gets little use once you have characters that are in multi-life scenarios and thought why not give a "free or paid" mini Iconic experience for those who have either earned or paid for the Veteran status. Perhaps suggesting the 10 veteran status was too far but I think level 4 would be good for the game anyway. I also enjoy the low level content but sometimes for some builds would like to jump ahead just because. Thank you for your comments.

 

[mikarddo]

If people want to skip the first 4 levels, they can bank xp crystals and maybe run a couple of quests.

I don’t understand why people are so hellbent on not playing the game that they play; I personally enjoy the early levels greatly, and there is way too much content before level 10 to justify this skip being good for the game. Especially as it would only vastly divide VIP / non-vip further, veterans and new players further.

Do we really want there to be so little experienced player presence in the levels where new players are entering the game?

It has nothing to do with not wanting to play the game - quite the contrary infact.

During the first few levels you often have nothing to do but press auto attack and maybe 1 or 2 active skills. For some players that is simply boring.
Preferring to start out at level 4 + whatever xp stones you might want to use would make the game more fun - and by being more fun I would play more not less.

As for experienced players where new players start.
a) I do not play Korthos anymore so they wont see me even now.
b) I do play Harbour quest at level 4 and do put up a LFM so anyone can join.
c) However, I play those quests hard and fast so I am not sure a truly new player would have fun joining.

So, allowing me to start at level 4 each a TR would not matter at all wrt new players.

I agree that starting at level 10 is not a great idea though - thats what iconics are for.

 

[Igognito]

I like the idea that VIPs have the option to start as veteran 1 after TR.
I'm not vip, but that is a QoL for VIPs without being out of proportion with the rest.
And on special occasions, they could allow veteran ii or even III. Example veteran ii could be after 2-3 years of vip subscription and iii after 5.
Again only for VIP. I think it is a fair perk for vip.

Fyi: I'm not VIP and never been a VIP. This perk together with 1st lifer open on elite would be interesting perks to have. The rest bonuses are not interesting for me.

If they also fixed that vips don't lose discounts when those come, I think that VIP would be a really good deal.

Cheers
Ps: I'm not upvoting as is. Consider other players feedback and I will revisit to upvote.

 

[nmhrtbrk]

of course it could be a VIP perk too to have at some point access to the level 10 variant(VIP only).

So the level 10- iconics cover that- and we are only going to see more iconic options logically- this appears redundant- so might be 2 year VIP milestone reward- as stated here (and I believe they are not alone)

It has nothing to do with not wanting to play the game - quite the contrary infact.

I have Iconics and have used stones to advance but I still play korthos - I enjoy meeting new players and helping them. But for my main I can start at level 1 or level 15 in reincarnation. So veteran status though I earned it dose not get used except to test a new build without Iconic tree. I really think that creating more variety in reincarnation options would be good and not detrimental. Also as I stated rank 1 veteran status in my opinion should stay as an earned perk so even F2P player base can earn a boost on their reincarnate (4 levels). Veteran Status is powerful but underutilized by players that have many characters that they main. By giving a free option to jump start builds (VET I) and (VET II) gives more utility to an in game system that is sitting idle most of the time on my account. Iconics did not empty Korthos- I even see them there frequently- Veteran Status reincarnation will not either.... just my opinion of course.

 

[Igognito]

So the level 10- iconics cover that- and we are only going to see more iconic options logically- this appears redundant- so might be 2 year VIP milestone reward- as stated here (and I believe they are not alone)

I have Iconics and have used stones to advance but I still play korthos - I enjoy meeting new players and helping them. But for my main I can start at level 1 or level 15 in reincarnation. So veteran status though I earned it dose not get used except to test a new build without Iconic tree. I really think that creating more variety in reincarnation options would be good and not detrimental. Also as I stated rank 1 veteran status in my opinion should stay as an earned perk so even F2P player base can earn a boost on their reincarnate (4 levels). Veteran Status is powerful but underutilized by players that have many characters that they main. By giving a free option to jump start builds (VET I) and (VET II) gives more utility to an in game system that is sitting idle most of the time on my account. Iconics did not empty Korthos- I even see them there frequently- Veteran Status reincarnation will not either.... just my opinion of course.

If veteran ? was allowed freely for TR then I don't anyone would start level 1.

So there must be a catch. Being only VIP, who anyhow earn significantly more XP without playing makes more sense for me. Also giving a perk to VIP increases its value which is a discussion over many threads.

F2p, premium we should still have access to veteran as is but not get the perk of tr to one.

While, I see you are willing to introduce as a catch that you need to reach level 30 to TR. The game won't support that. So we need to introduce a catch if we want veteran as TR.

Perhaps a special heart! You need to TR with a special heart only accessible from the store.

Can't get it with tokens or commendations or any other currency but DDOs.

That could work! They can introduce 3 hearts one for each veteran. Different prices obviously. It does heroic reincarnation+gets your at veteran 1..3 based the heart you choose.

That creates a mini Otto mechanism and my guess is that the price should be proportional to Otto. I feel that vet 3 makes more sense for this mechanism and TR to vet 1,2 could be a perk for VIPs after a few years of subscription.

This way you give to all community and to the business!

Cheers

 

[nmhrtbrk]

If veteran ? was allowed freely for TR then I don't anyone would start level 1.

So there must be a catch. Being only VIP, who anyhow earn significantly more XP without playing makes more sense for me. Also giving a perk to VIP increases its value which is a discussion over many threads.

F2p, premium we should still have access to veteran as is but not get the perk of tr to one.

While, I see you are willing to introduce as a catch that you need to reach level 30 to TR. The game won't support that. So we need to introduce a catch if we want veteran as TR.

Perhaps a special heart! You need to TR with a special heart only accessible from the store.

Can't get it with tokens or commendations or any other currency but DDOs.

That could work! They can introduce 3 hearts one for each veteran. Different prices obviously. It does heroic reincarnation+gets your at veteran 1..3 based the heart you choose.

That creates a mini Otto mechanism and my guess is that the price should be proportional to Otto. I feel that vet 3 makes more sense for this mechanism and TR to vet 1,2 could be a perk for VIPs after a few years of subscription.

This way you give to all community and to the business!

Cheers

A special heart of wood! NICE- thats perfect - would the community support/get behind that I wonder- would solve access and promote cash shop- thats a win!

 

[voenixa121]

It has nothing to do with not wanting to play the game - quite the contrary infact.

During the first few levels you often have nothing to do but press auto attack and maybe 1 or 2 active skills. For some players that is simply boring.
Preferring to start out at level 4 + whatever xp stones you might want to use would make the game more fun - and by being more fun I would play more not less.

As for experienced players where new players start.
a) I do not play Korthos anymore so they wont see me even now.
b) I do play Harbour quest at level 4 and do put up a LFM so anyone can join.
c) However, I play those quests hard and fast so I am not sure a truly new player would have fun joining.

So, allowing me to start at level 4 each a TR would not matter at all wrt new players.

I agree that starting at level 10 is not a great idea though - thats what iconics are for.

If it is like that, then starting at level 4 should make it so you need level 24 for TR. Like iconics can not just TR at 20.

 

[Driaza]

I support starting at level 3 or PREFERABLY level 4

This could be unlocked

- After a set number of TRs. E.g. after 3 TRs on the 4th you can start at this higher level
- After a favour unlock which you only need to do once and it unlocks for your entire account on that server. Permanently unlocked
- It could or could not be tied to VIP ... i am VIP and think it would be a great perk and would get more people to VIP i would think

Or even all 3 above - you need to be VIP, earn 8500 favour at least once on that server and its on a character you have TRd at least 3 times before

Starting at level 3 still allows you to group with lvl 1s with no penalty to anyone

Starting at level 4 allows you to get your reaper right away

To work out any issues with content / new players:

Borderlands quests should be moved to be base level 2 for the heroic version

The Korthos chain should give you eneough exp to get you to level 2 (not sure if its does or does not). Pretty sure it does and more no matter how many PLs you have.

Then Korthos should get a Legendary level 30 version so for anyone skipping these you get to do them again at 30+ (or even if legendary TRs become a thing)

My 2c

 

[Owlbear]

Let VIP start at level 4 after a TR and obviously TR at level 20 still.

That's what you save daily dice XP stones for
Personally I run Korthos anyway for extra Coin Lords inventory slot.

 

[Lazuli]

That creates a mini Otto mechanism and my guess is that the price should be proportional to Otto. I feel that vet 3 makes more sense for this mechanism and TR to vet 1,2 could be a perk for VIPs after a few years of subscription.

And why would I want to buy this? For that I buy an otto that takes me to 17-18.

What they have to do is stop monetizing everything, before their greed kills the goose that lays the golden eggs. And it would help if they weren't pissing off their customersall the time. Angry customers are not exactly the most open to spending.

 

[Guntango]

Nah, they need a catch-up mechanism, and this ain't it.

 

[Driaza]

Nah, they need a catch-up mechanism, and this ain't it.

Remove the 3x requirement then ...

Each TR gets you the full 3x requirement ... lowers total lives from 216 to 72

If you cant get 72 lives in a year or 2 then you dont deserve to be full completionist - it has to be an achievement

For context I have been playing for 20 years (on and off i admit) and i only have 1 full completionist and its not max Reaper Points

But i dont have an issue with others catching up

 

[Igognito]

A special heart of wood! NICE- thats perfect - would the community support/get behind that I wonder- would solve access and promote cash shop- thats a win!

And why would I want to buy this? For that I buy an otto that takes me to 17-18.

What they have to do is stop monetizing everything, before their greed kills the goose that lays the golden eggs. And it would help if they weren't pissing off their customersall the time. Angry customers are not exactly the most open to spending.

Two hearts actually, one for true reincarnation and one for racial reincarnation.
Both allow you to restart at level 10!

I can see that to work out as a racial reincarnation catch up mechanism. It is the spot that people might not have enough tokens for the heart so buying the heart with ddos won't be out of the scope.

Also the price should not be much different than a heart. So 1495 is the heart. Up to +800k XP. That means ~2k ddos so let's make the package 2595 ddos. I think it is a fair catch up mechanism.