Why not ?No melee should be able to obliterate a pack on one button press.
Why not ?No melee should be able to obliterate a pack on one button press.
So, exactly as Weird. But... Weird have 60s non-buffable CD and it's T5 in very inconsistent ED!Actually wail works on a lot more targets then visage does.
Spiders, fire beetles etc are all immune, including all other fear immune mobs and champs.
Becuz casters cannot obliterate raid boss in 30s (and no, ki bolt Monk is not caster). Balance, you know... 8)Why not ?
Fish-Sticks ?This is true. I literally know NOBODY who doesn't hate this.
Most of us are old, many of us are autistic. We hate change.
This.People always talk about what an ability does and never mention the tradeoffs. Taking Visage is a net loss of DPS in boss fights. It's a trash killer with a really cool lore aspect. Serious character builders will tell you who cares how you kill trash, every good build can kill trash. There is nothing OP about Visage. Going 40 to get Visage means you are making a tradeoff, and your DPS is going to be lower in both boss fights and when you are on timer. That's good game design. The goal should be to give other classes abilities like Visage instead of taking away one of the abilities that actually feels like you are a powerful character.
It also provides zero value in actual difficult content (push raids). Though maybe 1% of the game does this so perspective may vary.This.
Fizzy doesn't realize that taking visage nerfs your dps character. All he has to do to make his nerf dreams come true is spend AP.
Leave it to the 1% to find some ridiculous reason to make a normally mediocre talent required.It also provides zero value in actual difficult content (push raids). Though maybe 1% of the game does this so perspective may vary.
Quick cutter, Boulder Might, and Whirlwind are all wiping out groups of mobs and have 6 second cooldowns. I am starting to think you don't even play DDO. Oh, and they actually work on bosses, champs and reapers.It's still OP at a few uses per rest. No melee should be able to obliterate a pack on one button press. That's caster territory and it needs to be balanced by other restrictions.
This is the actual state of the game. Developers don't know a thing about their game, players who think they know everything complain about something they are jealous of and the developers listen to THAT ONE PLAYER.Quick cutter, Boulder Might, and Whirlwind are all wiping out groups of mobs and have 6 second cooldowns. I am starting to think you don't even play DDO. Oh, and they actually work on bosses, champs and reapers.
Most barbarians do not use the Ravenger tree. They mainly rely on melee power for damage which is at it should be. There is a reason why the Dragonlord in between cooldowns don't get many kills as overall the build isn't that strong. Like a prvious poster stated a level 23 Dragonloard can PK everything on R10. Thats a bit out of whack.The only reason Dragonlord fighter is good is because they used a Barbarian tree. Think of the Barbarians (they're like crayon eating children) when you ask for such nerfs.
Geez you are serious. How do you know that I don't play the ravanger tree as a crayon eating barb? Oh never mind everyone plays the same.Most barbarians do not use the Ravenger tree. They mainly rely on melee power for damage which is at it should be. There is a reason why the Dragonlord in between cooldowns don't get many kills as overall the build isn't that strong. Like a prvious poster stated a level 23 Dragonloard can PK everything on R10. Thats a bit out of whack.
Really well said.Arguements like this have been coming ever since DL took Ravager from Barbs and reduced the reliance on rage/con, and on the face of it, a call to nerf may appear reasonable, superficially at least.
However there are a number of aspects that help to balance Visage in context...
It is a capstone, so precludes any multiclassing. In today's meta, that can prove quite a limitation.
It's capstone in an otherwise pretty underwhelming tree, so you're spending 41 points that could be spent more effectively elsewhere.
It's application is pretty limited. It doesn't work on undead or constructs or slimes, and that's a surprisingly significant proportion of mobs. Also completely redundant on red names, bosses, and higher reapers. Largely useless in most raids too, I've found.
These limitations combined, make Visage a consideration rather than a no brainer choice for build. Nerfing it will likely, and certainly in my barbs case, weight matters heavily towards the more DPS oriented multi class 41 vistani type builds.
Do I want to give it up for 40 more MP, haste boost and attack speed?
Maybe.
But nerf it, and that becomes an easy decision.
I'm not sure that represents balance. It certainly takes us down a more standardised approach by removing it as a desirable option.
I'm not denying that DL is OP. Most latest shinies are. But I'm not convinced Visage is the main culprit here.
Nor is even DL close to imbalanced when compared to the abomination that is apparent in certain zero risk ranged builds right now.
Most barbarians do not use the Ravenger tree. <snip>
Doubling down on complete nonsense.Most barbarians do not use the Ravenger tree. They mainly rely on melee power for damage which is at it should be. There is a reason why the Dragonlord in between cooldowns don't get many kills as overall the build isn't that strong. Like a prvious poster stated a level 23 Dragonloard can PK everything on R10. Thats a bit out of whack.
Are you serious?realistic fantasy.