Visage of Terror (Nerf It)

Blu

Mmm...
As a long time Visage of Terror User on a Barb, it is certainly not broken. The previous edition of it was ridiculously costed, you sacrificed your rage charges, and it was based on CON not STR, you had to invest so many points and stats away from DPS to get it to work well and consistently.

Now it works relatively well. However, as many others stated it is also useless in a lot of quests, with many creatures being immune to it.
You sacrifice A chunk of DPS for rechargeable insta kill that may kill up to 6 creatures and you must be a pure build of 20 Barb or 20 DL and put 41pts into a single tree, with many average options for a melee, build.

Do they survive well, yes. Does it look cool, yes. Does it give an amazing looking kill tally at the end of most quests, yes/depending on group.
I play mine comfortably in up to R5, after which if there is no tank or healing, you can easily get overwhelmed, as you cannot create enough damage output quick enough on creatures that have survived (usually champs) or those that are immune. In no way is it broken.
 

Drunken.dx

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As a long time Visage of Terror User on a Barb, it is certainly not broken. The previous edition of it was ridiculously costed, you sacrificed your rage charges, and it was based on CON not STR, you had to invest so many points and stats away from DPS to get it to work well and consistently.

Now it works relatively well. However, as many others stated it is also useless in a lot of quests, with many creatures being immune to it.
You sacrifice A chunk of DPS for rechargeable insta kill that may kill up to 6 creatures and you must be a pure build of 20 Barb or 20 DL and put 41pts into a single tree, with many average options for a melee, build.

Do they survive well, yes. Does it look cool, yes. Does it give an amazing looking kill tally at the end of most quests, yes/depending on group.
I play mine comfortably in up to R5, after which if there is no tank or healing, you can easily get overwhelmed, as you cannot create enough damage output quick enough on creatures that have survived (usually champs) or those that are immune. In no way is it broken.
this.

anyone claiming visage is OP has clearly not played Visage user in more than few quests
 

Vua

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this.

anyone claiming visage is OP has clearly not played Visage user in more than few quests
Someone complained about a build someone uses so they lash out at something else. The entire premise is hilarious. He'll go back to posting how perfect the loot system in MD is soon enough, and we'll find that premise as hilarious as this one again.
 

erethizon1

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Give casters Weird as a 9th level spell and add an insta-kill component on Horrid Wilting...
And bring wail of the banshee back to the way it used to be. It doesn't make any sense to keep it so severely nerfed if they are going to add a faster version, that affects more targets, and is easier to raise the DC on. I understand why they nerfed wail back then, but the mere existence of VoT tells us they are no longer going in that direction and wail can at least be brought up to equal VoT (but really should probably be faster since it takes spell points and it takes far more work to raise spell DC than it does to raise a single skill).
 

Fisto Mk I

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Wail, mass frog, weird, all 60 seconds. I’ve seen turtle tanks lead kill counts in r10 just popping VoT every 30 seconds. It’s strange to give fighters a mass PK to start with, but it should be 60 seconds or drop similar abilities to 30 seconds.
Exactly. 8)
 

Eunostos

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it's fine, but funnily enough it's also more limitless/no cost than the 'op' monk abilities which needed restricting were.
 

MCPeePants

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It’s strange to give fighters a mass PK to start with

It's not a mass PK. They are both fear effects though, and maybe that's why the devs chose to use the same animation (which is unfortunate because it lends to conflating the two).

With Phantasmal Killer, the enemy -imagines- something so terrifying that it dies from fear. With Visage of Terror, something terrifying actually -exists- so it dies from fear.
 

Fisto Mk I

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I don't like my horrs wilted . . .
But mebbe your horrs likes be wilted, mmm?
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