We need more Dwarfs :-)

[Ying]

would love a +4 con race with lots of stuff that screams build a tank.

If you look through the D&D lore, Duergar are magically infused experiments created by mind flayers. That doesn't scream "tank".

 

[Arkat]

would love a +4 con race with lots of stuff that screams build a tank.

+2 CON, -4 CHA

 

[F_gamer]

I just want a battlerager. A thick chunk of pure angry muscle covered in spikes!

But def want Duergar large mode now.

Iconic?

 

[Bjond]

magically infused experiments created by mind flayers. That doesn't scream "tank".

Tank, vat, cauldron .. same thing.

One thing for sure, the Iconic will be weird. It's never actually "iconic".

 

[Lazuli]

Tank, vat, cauldron .. same thing.

One thing for sure, the Iconic will be weird. It's never actually "iconic".

Yep DDO iconics are always the most anti-iconic thing I can think.

 

[Col Kurtz]

Yep DDO iconics are always the most anti-iconic thing I can think.

Dwarf >Vindicator so, overdue, a REAL Warpriest & one of our tabletop favorites from 2nd edition possibly. (?we mix diff rules we prefer from each edition )

..make is a specific race if thats what an 'iconic' is?? i don't think ddo knowz the answer there ..but keep tryng!

 

[Br4d]

Yep DDO iconics are always the most anti-iconic thing I can think.

Iconics feel like they are setup to sell +1 hearts. The Morninglord is the clearest example of this. A Wis/Cha class pairing with +Int racials. Single attribute Int racials. Not even Dex/Int/Cha which is what you'd expect from an Elf.

 

[BrotherDog]

Why not also the Derro and the Urdunir?
As there is no Druid or Dwarf Iconic, perhaps we could get a Derro or Urdunir Druid Iconic. Something like a Stone Caller Druid.

 

[Frantik]

The thing is... Duergar, in DnD, they are iirc Lawful Evil. How does our friendly DM explain this? The brave, creative and impactful choice would be to open up the alignment system and to make it count. The weaker solution will be to limit their alignment to only LN. And then there's the truly appalling cop-out of continuing the "races don't mean **** apart from some stats and cosmetics" approach and let players choose to roll a CG Duergar Barbarian. Pfff.

 

[Aelonwy]

The thing is... Duergar, in DnD, they are iirc Lawful Evil.

Depends on if the race is starting in Eberron or Faerun. Many creatures and races that have absolute alignments in Faerun do NOT or do NOT entirely coincide with the typical alignments in Eberron. Look at dragons for instance, just because its a chromatic dragon its automatically evil in Faerun but that isn't so in the lore of Eberron. And even in Faerun, race is NOT an absolute indicator of alignment because exceptions exist and have created some of the more dramatic characters of the franchise. So a playable race that is typically evil but we get to create heroic characters within it? How is that vastly different from drow or tiefling that in older editions were typically evil but individuals could rebel and form their own sense of honor and integrity?

The key issue I suppose is that being heroic, being a heroic character will always be about striving to separate oneself from the herd, or the common culture and doing the deeds that make a name for oneself... could a character do that being evil? sure and like Vecna it may take multiple quests and multiple heroes to take the villain out... but this isn't a game about doing evil deeds (barring certain quests - *looking at you Gnomon*) this is a game about becoming a great hero that saves the city and the world. So by that understanding, any playable character is an exceptional specimen of their race, with exceptional sensibilities and ambitions not the typical.

 

[Deamon81]

The thing is... Duergar, in DnD, they are iirc Lawful Evil. How does our friendly DM explain this? The brave, creative and impactful choice would be to open up the alignment system and to make it count. The weaker solution will be to limit their alignment to only LN. And then there's the truly appalling cop-out of continuing the "races don't mean **** apart from some stats and cosmetics" approach and let players choose to roll a CG Duergar Barbarian. Pfff.

And Drow are also Choatic or Lawfull Evil but they are already there ;-)

 

[Lazuli]

And Drow are also Choatic or Lawfull Evil but they are already there ;-)

Player character drows are from Eberron, not FR, and the drows from Eberron are not CE.

 

[Deamon81]

Player character drows are from Eberron, not FR, and the drows from Eberron are not CE.

Play a Drow in Eveningstar so they are a Drow in Forgotten Realms

 

[Lazuli]

Play a Drow in Eveningstar so they are a Drow in Forgotten Realms

Do a tr into drow or create a new drow character. Where it starts? In Eberron. They are Eberron drows.

 

[Bjond]

Play a Drow in Eveningstar so they are a Drow in Forgotten Realms

I'd LOVE to see all the Eveningstar NPCs react negatively to a Drow PC.

Drow-reactions were incredibly fun BG3.

 

[Deamon81]

I'd LOVE to see all the Eveningstar NPCs react negatively to a Drow PC.

Drow-reactions were incredibly fun BG3.

In P&P I played a Drow following Eilistraee the only CG deity but wasn´t fun in the "normal" world as it mostly starts with a witch hunt