What does "Be R10 capable" even mean?

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Wizard

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Lately a few of these non-inclusive LFMs start showing up with requirements like "minimum xx reaper points", that's self-explanatory. But what is even"be R10 capable"?

For me it depends highly on group makeup. If we don't have someone else taking aggro (esp. red names and doom reapers) I'd be dead too often but otherwise I can usually contribute ok in R10s. So overall, probably not what they mean by "R10 capable" 🤔

I think it sounds demanding, so not very enticing to join. Even if I was stronger, because I prefer a laid-back group instead of one where everyone's performance is scrutinised. I think it may also have to do with xp pots ticking.

I feel similar for raids that exclude people, like "no casters" because "dps only".
 
Mechgraber

Mechgraber

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It's a bit vague and sort of meaningless. Personally I wouldn't really use that language in an LFM.

Maybe it's best to think of it as "can you fill the role and be effective in r10?".

For example, if you are a wizard, and your DCs are 80s...you're not really going to be effective at instakilling or crowd control or dps.

If you are a tank and have 3000hp, 150 AC, 200 PRR and 150 MRR...you're not really a tank, you are a smudge on the wall.

If you are a DPS and swinging a random loot gen weapon, and decided to take a bunch of skill focus feats for flavor instead of the good ones...so you get grazing hits half the time...you're not really dps.

If you are a trapper and have +75 search/disable...you won't be able to find the boxes, and if by some miracle you do, they'll explode if you look in their general direction.

So it kind of comes down to

1) are you geared well enough?
-filigrees/sentient weapon at least partway there (doesn't have to be 210k xp maxed)
-set bonuses/profane+artifact augs for relevant stats
-reasonable gear, doesn't have to be lvl 32-34, could even be sharn/feywild stuff but are you covering the major stats/effects needed?

2) are you built well enough?
-are you filling a specific role?
-can you actually do that specific role?
-you can do multiple roles but that becomes more difficult.

Past lives are a bonus, 1st lifers can absolutely contribute but they MUST be pretty well geared and built. Experience in r10s are nice to have as well, but not needed. I do think some r4-r8 experience goes a long way. Trying to make the jump from r1 to r10 in one go can be a very rude awakening, especially for melee.

A lot of the friction arises when someone joins an LFM, isn't r10 ready, but doesn't realize that they aren't, and the group also doesn't realize they aren't...then they find out after the first encounter that the wizard that joined has DCs 20 or 30 points too low.

"don't you have mass hold, bro?"

"I've been casting it, these mobs have crazy high saves for some reason!"

"what are your DCs?"

"67, I was crushing it in epic Gianthold!"

You can get by on r10s with a solid tank, a smart healer, and some teamwork. But having well built/equipped DPS and CC does tend to make things faster and smoother, respectively.

It also depends a bit on which quests. r10 sharn or ravenloft or gatekeepers or feywild is a different level of play compared to MD or Chill, with quite different requirements.
 
An den

An den

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Those LFMs are put up by members of a specific guild from a specific server. When they are running leveling quests they zerg, pull agro and leave mobs behind. They leave the quest as soon as they are done unless there is loot they want.

In R10's they zerg, pull agro, die and then start throwing out blame. You should ignore those LFM's.
 
Roper

Roper

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Wizard said:
Lately a few of these non-inclusive LFMs start showing up with requirements like "minimum xx reaper points", that's self-explanatory. But what is even"be R10 capable"?

For me it depends highly on group makeup. If we don't have someone else taking aggro (esp. red names and doom reapers) I'd be dead too often but otherwise I can usually contribute ok in R10s. So overall, probably not what they mean by "R10 capable" 🤔

I think it sounds demanding, so not very enticing to join. Even if I was stronger, because I prefer a laid-back group instead of one where everyone's performance is scrutinised. I think it may also have to do with xp pots ticking.

I feel similar for raids that exclude people, like "no casters" because "dps only".
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Hopefully there has been enough consolidation that these types of LFMs will be balanced by regular LFMs.

"Be R10 capable" likely means you've got a toon that has 20 past-lives and know how to play/have played quests @ or near 10 Reaper Skulls. If you're on Thrane, I wish you luck. The 64>64 transfers will happen soon enough. If you're committed to Thrane I can hook you up with a really cool dude.

BTW, I don't have a problem with the DPS/Caster/Trapper LFMs.
 
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Roper

Roper

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Good to know. 🌠🌈

Not that I would respond to that kind of LFM. Everyone wanting to play Reaper 3+ is annoying AF
 
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Wizard

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In my experience, if I make a LFM for R10 (not the hard quests) and just take the first five legendary chars that apply, there is a high chance that we will successfully complete. However we may be slow, wipe and struggle depending on who joins and how balanced the party is. That's not for everyone, some people have the "gotta go fast" mentality or dislike long, struggling quests. So they make the LFMs with requirements.
 
Roper

Roper

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Ah, so you actually play the game as the DM intended, instead of playing the game (*gaming the play) ;)
 
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Wizard

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If all groups were super fast and smooth, because only strong people are allowed to join, then it would be boring IMHO. You have enough of that gameplay from 1-29.

One of the most memorable DDO 6man experiences for me was when we sucessfully completed Grim R10 with literally no-one "R10 ready".
 
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Stabitha

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An den said:
Those LFMs are put up by members of a specific guild from a specific server. When they are running leveling quests they zerg, pull agro and leave mobs behind. They leave the quest as soon as they are done unless there is loot they want.

In R10's they zerg, pull agro, die and then start throwing out blame. You should ignore those LFM's.
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Thrane rhymes with peekaboo ?
 
Unk

Unk

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Ran most of the new quest on R10 by joining a random LFM on shadow-dale twice. Both were really fun and I would say my toon does not meet any of the R10 capable (scouting if there is a bard in the group). I would say half the group was carrying us. If they need to post reaper 10 capable maybe they should lower the difficulty. I wouldn’t join but I haven’t seen those LFM on shadowdale yet.
 
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Frieling Slyhand

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I have played R10 on first life toons with 20-30 reaper points but with specific build like ranged or healer.

My main is a tank and can usually help a group do R10. However if I post an lfm for R10 and our group make up isn’t effective, I’ll just lower the skulls, but some people won’t do that and prefer shaming others. It’s why I didn’t go to a certain server eventhough I like to play the most challenging content.
 
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Wizard

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Mechgraber said:
It's a bit vague and sort of meaningless. Personally I wouldn't really use that language in an LFM.

Maybe it's best to think of it as "can you fill the role and be effective in r10?".

For example, if you are a wizard, and your DCs are 80s...you're not really going to be effective at instakilling or crowd control or dps.

If you are a tank and have 3000hp, 150 AC, 200 PRR and 150 MRR...you're not really a tank, you are a smudge on the wall.

If you are a DPS and swinging a random loot gen weapon, and decided to take a bunch of skill focus feats for flavor instead of the good ones...so you get grazing hits half the time...you're not really dps.

If you are a trapper and have +75 search/disable...you won't be able to find the boxes, and if by some miracle you do, they'll explode if you look in their general direction.
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Great post, very detailed.

I agree, that you should try your best to fill a role.

And if a role is missing the party has to compensate for that. Only very high dps or excellent kiting and CC will compensate for the not having "tanker" role for example. Doesn't have to be tank specced but someone who can take the hits - often dodge melee.

I did my first 50 points or so as healer and bard buffer specs because that was my best chance at contributing. I have to say even at high RP and decent amount of defensive PL it can be still be difficult to contribute as squishy melee without a tank.
 
vryxnr

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It could mean they want to zerg, or that they want to be carried... or it could also mean that they simply don't want dead weight. Sometimes a person running ahead or off a side path by themselves just to causing an alert then dying on their own is annoying/frustrating, especially if you're not zerging and are instead enjoying coordinated efforts to take on the challenge together.

Yes, some people enjoy the chaos caused by someone constantly running amok and trying to keep them alive despite themselves. Some people don't or simply aren't in the mood for that style of gameplay at the moment.

*shrugs*

Not saying all people who post LFMs with that are one thing or another... just offering a different perspective. I've met both great peopole and absolutely horrible people in all sorts of LFMs. R10 capable could be all a-holes, or it could be people who just aren't in the mood to chase after chaos or babysit those who don't have the character build to meaningfully contribute at the time. People are allowed to have a preference (hopefully without being a D about it, and imo "r10 capable" is a fast and simple way to express a desired expectation).
 
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nix

nix

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I just think of a certain player expecting everyone to play identical builds they have dictated
 
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