What does "Be R10 capable" even mean?

[Roper]

It could mean they want to zerg, or that they want to be carried... or it could also mean that they simply don't want dead weight. []

Dealers choice. Good to know.

 

[Wizard]

I have played R10 on first life toons with 20-30 reaper points but with specific build like ranged or healer.

My main is a tank and can usually help a group do R10. However if I post an lfm for R10 and our group make up isn’t effective, I’ll just lower the skulls, but some people won’t do that and prefer shaming others. It’s why I didn’t go to a certain server eventhough I like to play the most challenging content.

I love tanks in groups , everything is so much more controlled.

And yeah lowering the skulls is way more reasonable than pointing fingers. R8 isn't that much lower rxp but can mean the difference between "basically impossible" and "tough but doable" difficulty for the team. Even R6 is not bad rxp (it will probably mean going from "impossible" to "swift pace")

What's pretty annoying are people who whine about maxing their R10 first time bonus when they are not R10 "carries" themselves. There are enough legendary quests now to not fret over min-maxing first time bonuses IMHO. Probably R6-8 is even the sweet spot for rxp/min unless your party has uber dps or it's an easy quest. R10s are a fun challenge though.

 

[Oliphant]

Basically, folks using that language are signaling they are real soft, so don't skip legs day and be prepared to carry.

 

[woq]

"Be R10 capable" is subjective. I'd personally take it as someone is tired of people joining on "i'm just here for a little xp before tr, i didn't really even grab gear from tr cache yet" -type characters, and i'd still join on a toon I feel confident I can reasonably contribute on r10 with.

That doesn't mean even 21 rp - for healer/ranged/utility support gear/rxp requirements are lower than melee/tank for example - but they may have to be more on top of the ball with spell absorbs, positioning and the like and be more willing to take a more supportive role in general (stop firing to save a soulstone, or rez, or whatever).

 

[Xaerxiessia]

It could mean they want to zerg, or that they want to be carried... or it could also mean that they simply don't want dead weight. Sometimes a person running ahead or off a side path by themselves just to causing an alert then dying on their own is annoying/frustrating, especially if you're not zerging and are instead enjoying coordinated efforts to take on the challenge together.

Yes, some people enjoy the chaos caused by someone constantly running amok and trying to keep them alive despite themselves. Some people don't or simply aren't in the mood for that style of gameplay at the moment.

*shrugs*

Not saying all people who post LFMs with that are one thing or another... just offering a different perspective. I've met both great peopole and absolutely horrible people in all sorts of LFMs. R10 capable could be all a-holes, or it could be people who just aren't in the mood to chase after chaos or babysit those who don't have the character build to meaningfully contribute at the time. People are allowed to have a preference (hopefully without being a D about it, and imo "r10 capable" is a fast and simple way to express a desired expectation).

I know what you mean.
In the rare LFM I post (soloer & not on R10, mostly R3) I often precise with the pun:
" , Pikers on pots not welcome" , which appeared once to not be a pun at all.

 

[mikarddo]

It means you should not join with a character that does not contribute meaningfully - so dont join with the intend to be fully carried.

You most certainly is not expected to carry the group - but you should be able to pull your own weight reasonably. Some of that is gear and past lives and some can be knowledge and skill.

 

[Pano]

I agree this is ambiguous.
I had many R10 where I was the only carry doing all the work and some where I was barely able to run fast enough with the group - with the same build. I would say if you can solo any single non-boss mob in the quest, you are good enough. Also you should know the different reapers at least. PLs and reaper points does not matter.
Also If you want to join this LFM I would just ask? 'Hi, I would like to join your LFM - I am able to solo this Quest on R3' - something like that

 

[GrizzlyOso]

If you don’t know what it means don’t join. It’s pretty simple.

You know how capable you are in r10. If you’re not, don’t join.

 

[Oliphant]

Just keep it simple and never join lfm if it says this. Not saying to blacklist the player, just wait until they out of their feels.

 

[mikarddo]

Just keep it simple and never join lfm if it says this. Not saying to blacklist the player, just wait until they out of their feels.

Its a perfectly reasonable request from the group leader.

Expecting to join R10 without being able to contribute meaningfully is the unreasonable action - unless the LFM specifically states its ok.

 

[Pano]

I think the key as the communication, just ASK the leader.

I once had a 600HP firstlifer warlock do R10 IoD with my group - because he told me in advanced that he cannot contribute but he would like to get reaper points and gear. And since we had a strong group already, why not? But He stated that in advance - which I appreciate

 

[Oliphant]

Its a perfectly reasonable request from the group leader.

Expecting to join R10 without being able to contribute meaningfully is the unreasonable action - unless the LFM specifically states its ok.

I can't really pick it apart on a literal interpretation, but it smells whiney to me, like venting past grievances and being frustrated. Low skull energy to me.

 

[Jack Jarvis Esquire]

It screams "hey look at me and how brilliant I am because I'M R10 capable!"

Yeah, who cares ********. Those of us who are truly any good don't need to advertise it.

And the fact you do suggests an insecurity that will probably bleed into unnecessary drama when you find out you're not top of the pile after all, as advertised in your head, and are getting raise scrolls from the barb whilst explaining to everyone how you died (again, don't care ********) and whining when things don't go your way. Which will likely be often.

So nah. Not for me. I'll group with fun folks of any ability who like a laugh at themselves as much as others because I want to enjoy my experience and not have to worry about the mental fragility of self absorbed peacocks. Thanks.

Or something.

TLDR: get over yourself, because the rest of us already sooooo very are.

 

[Unk]

I normally post LFM at the reaper difficulty I can solo. Then as people join depending on make up and how strong we are I will say hey you want to try r6 then if that goes smooth keep bumping it up in difficulty. I personally think that is how most LFM should go it all inclusive that way. If somebody has LFM with just the quest and no comment I assume they can solo it. If they have need tank or healer and I am not one of those I send a tell. If it has something like R 10 capable have this much hit points I avoid.

 

[Love]

I think it’s perfectly reasonable to expect players to contribute when joining a reaper group. To me, the whole “you should be able to solo the quest you post an LFM for” idea feels a bit misguided. Most of us post LFMs because we want a group experience, not because we plan to solo anyway.

That being said, I get why some groups write things like “be r10 rdy.” It can get frustrating when runs slow down because a few players aren’t prepared, and after a while it just makes sense to set clearer expectations. I read those LFMs as “be able to contribute.” At the end of the day, it’s their group, they decide. You can join it or ignore it. And I’m sure most leaders who write that know it’ll discourage a lot of people from clicking.

If you want to join the "hardest" content in the game, it’s fair that you should bring something to the table - whether that’s solid DPS, healing, CC, or just being prepared with gear and knowledge of the quest. It doesn’t mean you need to be a solo god, but you shouldn’t be a hindrance to the rest of the party either.

 

[Alternative]

On one hand it might seem like selective lfms are only posted by mediocre players, and they sometimes are. But it's even worse if you just accept anyone and end up with people who should stick with r4, and then they find reasons to blame you for not being able to "lead" their inadequate builds.

I gave up on posting lfms long time ago, but there are definitely two sides to this problem.

As for the OP, worrying so much indicates that you're probably capable enough.

 

[Ptalon]

Lately a few of these non-inclusive LFMs start showing up with requirements like "minimum xx reaper points", that's self-explanatory. But what is even"be R10 capable"?

For me it depends highly on group makeup. If we don't have someone else taking aggro (esp. red names and doom reapers) I'd be dead too often but otherwise I can usually contribute ok in R10s. So overall, probably not what they mean by "R10 capable"

I think it sounds demanding, so not very enticing to join. Even if I was stronger, because I prefer a laid-back group instead of one where everyone's performance is scrutinised. I think it may also have to do with xp pots ticking.

I feel similar for raids that exclude people, like "no casters" because "dps only".

You answered the question in your first sentence: "non-inclusive."

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Synonyms for "non-inclusive" include words like exclusive, restrictive, segregated, unwelcoming, and phrases such as leaving out or not including. The best synonym depends on the specific context and nuance you want to convey.

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General Exclusion

• Exclusive: Tends to mean only for a particular group.
• Restrictive: Suggests limitations or barriers to entry.
• Segregated: To keep groups separate or apart.

Actions of Exclusion

• • Excluding: The act of keeping something or someone out.
  • Leaving out: A simple way to describe omitting something.
  • Passing over: To disregard or not choose someone or something.

Concepts of Exclusion

• • Non-inclusion: The state or act of not being included.
  • Omission: The act of leaving something out.
  • Selective: To choose only certain things, often at the expense of others.

Biased Exclusion

• • Prejudiced: Showing dislike or bias against others.
  • Singular: Referring to only one type or kind of person or thing.

 

[mikarddo]

I can't really pick it apart on a literal interpretation, but it smells whiney to me, like venting past grievances and being frustrated. Low skull energy to me.

I have to tell you that its *exactly* the vibe I am getting from your posts that you just described!

I hold no real frustration of importance here - have a nice weekend

 

[Ptalon]

I am reminded of the days of "coming soon" when the Shroud was the only end-game in town.
I joined a group for the very first Elite difficulty Shroud LFM I had ever seen.

I was one of the first people to join. After one or two more guys joined, the leader starting asking people about their build, and linking their weapons. He wasn't impressed by mine, but didn't push the issue.

The group filled, and we went to go in......
...and I discovered that I was the only one who could open elite.

 

[paddymaxson]

Hey I don't want to be mean spirited but for some people getting through R10s with relative ease is their idea of fun, I don't think they should give up their fun in a leisure activity to babysit people who don't play like them so I sort of get asking for people to be R10 capable for their R10s.

I honestly discovered I was not R10 capable by having a much more charitable group who didn't need me there to do what they were doing some time ago and I think I'd have been a pain in the arse if they did need me.

I get it's ungenerous to others/selfish but you don't have to carry others while you're enjoying your downtime. I wouldn't ask someone to do it for me and while I will do it for others plenty sometimes I jsut can't be arsed.

That said, there's no need to be a ******** about it if someone isn't your platonic ideal of a good DDO player, simply put being R10 capable is:

1. You know to stand behind the mobs in melee, because your DPS character level defenses do not work here
2. If you do get hit, you need to be able to take more than 1 hit before dying
3. A little bit of supplemental healing you can put on OTHERS really helps, especially if there is no dedicated healer.
4. Be able to actually hit the mobs, whether that's DCs or attack bonuses
5. If a trapper is needed and you are the trapper be able to do them

I don't think asking for those things in a group that isn't breezing through a quest without a 6th man is unreasonable, but not being an rsehole about asking for those things helps.