What does "Be R10 capable" even mean?

[DBZ]

If you have to ask lol

They really put in the must have xx reaper points thats funny

 

[minamber]

I think you're being a bit too hard on whoever the LFM poster was here.
Sure they might be elitist, but it's also entirely possible that they've had bad experiences or just don't want to carry people who will slow them down. Back when I posted LFMs regularly, there were several times I had people join who couldn't handle whatever quest I was doing and expected the rest of the group to carry them, and I hated it.

Personally, I found out by accident that my character wasn't R10 capable the hard way (the difficulty wasn't specified in the LFM and I didn't look when I entered the quest). Many deaths later, we completed but it wasn't a fun time, at least imo. It's kind of put me off joining R10s altogether, tbh.

In the end, its their group and they do what they want with it, like others are free to join or not.

 

[songswrath]

Every time I see someone post that they end up being the weakest player in group.

 

[Buddha5440]

Be R10 capable means...if you play this game for fun and relaxation you should strongly consider NOT joining. YMMV

 

[paddymaxson]

Every time I see someone post that they end up being the weakest player in group.

Ah the DDOunning Kruger effect.

 

[Rusty_helmet]

Lately I’ve had groups with very little capability thinking they are amazing. The truth is that most people are delusional enough to think they are just fine to run any content with whatever useless toon they have. Most r10s need only a couple big hitters to be successful (lamordia and MD not withstanding). For many though it is a time issue. If we have a really good group, we can go through r10s about as fast as r1 and that maximizes rxp.

Generally I post for r8+ and take whoever hits and keep it to r8 if the group make up is poor. I generally solo r5+ so r8 even with bad toons or players is fine and in the grand scheme of rxp, it’s not a huge loss. Zerging it after on r1 for a saga completion for curse cards typically makes up the difference.

 

[Yamani]

To me those lfm's just scream incompetence. Always avoided them. If they truly where r10 capable, they wouldn't need the rest of the group to be. At the current player power all it takes is 1-2 decent players to get the group through r10s.

 

[Pano]

To me those lfm's just scream incompetence. Always avoided them. If they truly where r10 capable, they wouldn't need the rest of the group to be. At the current player power all it takes is 1-2 decent players to get the group through r10s.

Interesting... so you are implying that if 6 players can beat R10 as a team, 2 of those can duo the same quest on R10?

Or are you implying that since 'at the current power' it takes 2 players to complete an R10 quest, there cannot be a 6 weaker players that manages to do that as well?

hmm... maybe you meant that if a 6 players the strength of the leader can complete the R10, but just 2 of them don't, then they are incompetent and not R10 ready?

Maybe I am incompetent myself since I cannot find the logic behind this.

 

[Jack Jarvis Esquire]

Bottom line is playing how you enjoy.

If that means giving it the big I AM and zerging quests joylessly because they're so boring for you, fine.

The fun, for me, is in the humour in the group. As let's face it after the first few runs it's all a little stale wrt content. Maybe I've been spoiled or maybe it's a case of self selection, but the folks I've been lucky to run with generally do seem more interested in having a good time than completion times.

We've run with all sorts of abilities and never had any real issues. The few AHs get ignored after they've blown their cover. But that's not predicated on their ability. Their attitude.

On occasion I'll join PUGs and sometimes it's all a zergfest. It's fine til I get bored, but I'll not rejoin twice in a hurry. LFMs like that described are a red flag for me and my fun.

Bur as ever YMMV. So have whatever fun you can find however it suits you best. It's just a game after all, and fun is the whole point.

 

[Solarpower]

Lately a few of these non-inclusive LFMs start showing up with requirements like "minimum xx reaper points", that's self-explanatory.

So, if a person has "xx reaper points" but didn't put them into Reaper Enhancements trees, does it count ?
Asking for a friend.

 

[woq]

It screams "hey look at me and how brilliant I am because I'M R10 capable!"

Yeah, who cares ********. Those of us who are truly any good don't need to advertise it.

And the fact you do suggests an insecurity that will probably bleed into unnecessary drama when you find out you're not top of the pile after all, as advertised in your head, and are getting raise scrolls from the barb whilst explaining to everyone how you died (again, don't care ********) and whining when things don't go your way. Which will likely be often.

So nah. Not for me. I'll group with fun folks of any ability who like a laugh at themselves as much as others because I want to enjoy my experience and not have to worry about the mental fragility of self absorbed peacocks. Thanks.

Or something.

TLDR: get over yourself, because the rest of us already sooooo very are.

I gotta call this one out Jack. this comes across as incredibly judgmental to me, not knowing their reasons for the posting. It's a perfectly reasonable request, imo.

I also agree with your latter post about attitude - absolutely! The feel and joy of the group is most important, and chatting and having fun can be the best fun DDO or any mmo for that matter has to offer. But then you have people who have NO attitude at all - completely silent almost always - who also cannot contribute, don't carry rez scrolls, don't carry curse pots, don't do damage or tank or heal others in the group. If they get used to being carried by certain players and keep on joining expecting to be carried... Which would be preferable: ignoring them forevermore, telling them they're ****, or posting a lfm with "ehh, not today guys, please I don't be a soulstone carrier again for 6th day in a row" - but more politely ? Or just don't rez/carry their stones to prove the point and come across as an even bigger ***hole?

I know plenty of people who were the "carry of the group" for extended periods of time on Khyber, and eventually just stopped posting LFMs because it was too common for people to join on toons that were not in fact R10 ready, but also had no attitude/didn't help. No attitude is almost as bad as bad attitude, because then it might just as well be a cleric hireling that atleast can rez. But sometimes we also want people to actually play with, not just exist together in the same quest.

Edit: i say this having never posted a r10 quest group with lfm text similar to what was proposed by OP. I have, on the other hand, turned people down when I was posting lfm for r10 raids. If that makes me a dumbdumb, then I guess I'll be dumbo.

 

[vryxnr]

Bottom line is playing how you enjoy.

Agreed.

...folks I've been lucky to run with generally do seem more interested in having a good time than completion times.

These are not mutually exclusive things. Some people find pushing faster completion times to be an incredibly good time.

We've run with all sorts of abilities and never had any real issues. The few AHs get ignored after they've blown their cover. But that's not predicated on their ability. Their attitude.

Agreed!

On occasion I'll join PUGs and sometimes it's all a zergfest. It's fine til I get bored, but I'll not rejoin twice in a hurry. LFMs like that described are a red flag for me and my fun.

Bur as ever YMMV. So have whatever fun you can find however it suits you best. It's just a game after all, and fun is the whole point.

That is why putting info like this in the LFM is so important, so like minded people can play together and have fun, and people who find certain styles of gameplay incredibly unfun are less likely to have their fun spoiled or inadvertently spoil someone else's fun. I have no ill will to people who communicate, especially something neutral like "r10 capable".

 

[Thira]

I don't think I would ever put up an LFM like this, but I can understand the impulse. There seem to be a number of people who can't see difficulties beyond R10, which can be particularly problematic in the newer content.

If i post R10 Ravenloft or Sharn , I don't care who joins my party because it just doesn't matter and I am happy to carry weaker folks along. If looking to get through R10 myth or chill, having players with extremely limited skillsets is a pain. It really has nothing to do with past lives and reaper points, many people seem to accumulate these without also acquiring an ability to play the game.

I don't care about completion times, but spending 5 times longer than average in a quest because there are various times where everyone is a soul stone is not fun to me. That people just join or post R10 as a default without seeming to consider the difficulty of the content can be frustrating.

the idea that the LFM poster is elitist is sort of ironic given the amount of projection in this thread. Are they looking to be carried, weak, soft, etc.? Maybe. Maybe they are frustrated and just want to find a couple of people who don't have the reaction speed of a paper weight so that the quests can be challenging without being a complete chore.

 

[Buddha5440]

Agreed.

These are not mutually exclusive things. Some people find pushing faster completion times to be an incredibly good time.

Agreed!

That is why putting info like this in the LFM is so important, so like minded people can play together and have fun, and people who find certain styles of gameplay incredibly unfun are less likely to have their fun spoiled or inadvertently spoil someone else's fun. I have no ill will to people who communicate, especially something neutral like "r10 capable".

If you can't even define what "Be R!0 Capable" is?...how is it important to put that in the LFM??? I've often put up an LFM saying "doing all optionals" and get steamrolled by a Zerger.

I've also heard that men can become pregnant...yet noone seems to be able to tell me what a "man" is...

 

[Bjond]

I normally post LFM at the reaper difficulty I can solo.

Same for leveling and often for RXP'ing at cap if I'm feeling slow and lazy.

Be R10 capable means...if you play this game for fun and relaxation you should strongly consider NOT joining. YMMV

One VERY nice thing about R8~10 groups is that you're more likely to see actual team/group play rather than a parallel zerg/blitz with 6 players solo'ing in different directions for maximum completion rate.

If you want that kind of play, I wouldn't be shy about asking what role they need or simply tell them your role and ask if they need one. First time I did a high reaper was on a 1st life barely geared bard. Felt bad I wasn't contributing much, but everyone seemed to like the songs so much they didn't mind. Ranged DPS is another easy role to fill when new to high reaper.

 

[vryxnr]

If you can't even define what "Be R!0 Capable" is?...how is it important to put that in the LFM??? I've often put up an LFM saying "doing all optionals" and get steamrolled by a Zerger.

tbh I find the "it means they are weak and need to be carried / can carry and are zerging / are elitist jerks" rather hyperbolic and my initial post mentioning those was intended more of a "sure it could mean that I guess", but until I know someone's specific tendencies, I prefer to take language at it's face value. Capable means able to do something, or if you want a dictionary definition: "having the ability, fitness, or quality necessary to do or achieve a specified thing". If later I find out they meant one of the other things, then I make note for that person. But by default / before I know how a specific person does things, I'm going to assume they use words in the most common/definitional way.

I'm sorry to hear that people have joined you without reading what you wrote in your LFM. That is very frustrating.

 

[Ying]

People in this thread have forgotten people can play DDO any way they want.

If you have to ask what "R10 capable" means, then you're not the audience they're looking for.

 

[Buddha5440]

tbh I find the "it means they are weak and need to be carried / can carry and are zerging / are elitist jerks"

Where did I say anything even close to that?

 

[GrizzlyOso]

To me those lfm's just scream incompetence. Always avoided them. If they truly where r10 capable, they wouldn't need the rest of the group to be. At the current player power all it takes is 1-2 decent players to get the group through r10s.

Yeah! 1 or 2 people should solo / duo it or THEY suck. Not the 4 people who also play the same game with the same power levels. They shouldn’t do anything at all!

Get a better opinion.

 

[vryxnr]

Where did I say anything even close to that?

I never said you said that.