What does "Be R10 capable" even mean?

[Yamani]

Eh, they exist on thrane . Join them or don’t . Or weirdly like these people in this thread get all upset about it on the forums.

As always, just post your own lfm if you don’t like other people’s lfm. Who cares what lfms people post.

I mean you are in this thread too, so... I don't really care; I don't join this type of lfm's simply because they scream incompetence. Then again, I rarely group anymore as is.

 

[GrizzlyOso]

I mean you are in this thread too, so... I don't really care; I don't join this type of lfm's simply because they scream incompetence. Then again, I rarely group anymore as is.

Indeed, I’m here telling people not to be upset.

I’ve joined plenty of these , but of course, it normally goes well, since I’m good at the game, and am r10 capable.

See how that works ?

Or instead, rage about how THEY are incompetent. Sure, I bet they are. And why help someone that needs help, am I right ?

 

[Secondlife]

Indeed, I’m here telling people not to be upset.

I’ve joined plenty of these , but of course, it normally goes well, since I’m good at the game, and am r10 capable.

See how that works ?

Or instead, rage about how THEY are incompetent. Sure, I bet they are. And why help someone that needs help, am I right ?

You have joined plenty of these on Thrane?

 

[Hobgoblin]

I am not impressed by these groups for the most part.

My general feeling is if you are going to put up a LFM that says be r10 capable you need to be capable of r10 to post that. and while I have joined one or two of these groups and succeeded I declined to continue on with the group

 

[Bjond]

two people ran ahead of everyone to get to the end boss to finish the quest quicky. Two of us are trying to catch up but they left all the mobs behind which were slowing us down. Then I was the one to be blamed cause the two of them died and I was asked why I was not healing.

Heh. If you run ahead on a non-tank (or tank not grabbing agro), you're on your own. There are tanks that are great at gathering more than one pack for AE if that's what's good for the group. The behavior is pretty obvious and v.different from melee blitzing and praying for agro-drop.

There are also some dash ahead / skippy quests where a LOT of people don't know the skips. The tree (corruption?) in Feywild is the classic skippy where I regularly see folk not know how to skip -- melee walking up & breaking or standing next to orbs, etc.. If the team isn't on the same page and you're doing anything remotely different from "kill it all", TALK to your team first to get them on the same page.

So, yeah, that dash & die was entirely on them.

I know how to play the game and avoid damage, but eventually youre going to take a hit, then its all over.

Everyone dies now and then in R10. The "don't die" or "no one-shots" just means make sure dying isn't your go-to strategy.

The biggest difference between say R4 and R10 is that there's no "standing still" in R10. Cast a heal too soon and you peal mobs off the tank. Healer has to circle 'em back so tank can get agro. Stand and shoot instead of strafing and ranged attacks will pincushion you. Step between mob & tank (classic newbie melee mistake) and you eat the hits meant for tank; conversely, not circle strafing out of the front as a melee means you get hit instead of missed.

DDO attacks all have physics in addition to the classic D&D dice. Moving turns lag and game-physics to your advantage.

 

[GrizzlyOso]

You have joined plenty of these on Thrane?

What is plenty ? More than 3? Yes.

More than 30? No.

Are you just nitpicking the word plenty ?

 

[Secondlife]

What is plenty ? More than 3? Yes.

More than 30? No.

Are you just nitpicking the word plenty ?

Words matter. You felt it necessary to argue with me about seeing these LFMs. Which by my account must be rather rare as I have never seen one. And then you mention you've joined plenty of them. And I specifically asked about these on Thrane, for my own understanding about server culture, which you didn't answer.

 

[GrizzlyOso]

Words matter. You felt it necessary to argue with me about seeing these LFMs. Which by my account must be rather rare as I have never seen one. And then you mention you've joined plenty of them. And I specifically asked about these on Thrane, for my own understanding about server culture, which you didn't answer.

I literally answered.

They were definitely around more before Chill dropped and people got tired of lag fest.

But if they’re so rare, then who cares about this thread at all ? Are you calling OP and everyone else a liar as well here ?

Maybe I played in the ONE unicorn lfm of this type? Hey guess what, it’s still plenty, because it went well, as it always does .

The amount of arguing against yourselves presented as “gotchas” here is astounding.

 

[ShotCaller]

Heyton's Rest 1
Be R10 capable, know it, BYOH, have a useful destiny

 

[Archaic]

It means have the cursed blade of Jack Jibbers, ressurection and heal scrolls of course. Dimension Door SLA doesn't hurt either

 

[Teh_Troll]

It means don't suck.

 

[Belzidar]

Heyton's Rest 1
Be R10 capable, know it, BYOH, have a useful destiny

We beat them off..this time

 

[woq]

It means don't suck.

Unless...?

 

[Guntango]

Unless...?

I think you mean, "Or else...?"

 

[Ying]

I see.. it's quite a bit demanding. I guess these standards are ok for people who really care a lot about rxp/min but can't zoom through high reaper without significant support yet.

The same applies to raids. It's far from 'demanding'. It's basic common courtesy when you join someone else's LFM. Perhaps you have yet to experience this from the LFM's owner perspective, where things go pear-shaped because people aren't up to the task.

 

[Wizard]

The same applies to raids. It's far from 'demanding'. It's basic common courtesy when you join someone else's LFM. Perhaps you have yet to experience this from the LFM's owner perspective, where things go pear-shaped because people aren't up to the task.

Different mindsets I guess. I accept (almost) everyone in my LFM even underleveled/geared people if they ask politely and don't disrupt the party (don't run off and need to be rescued, don't pull adds, don't afk all the time esp. not without notice etc).

Sometimes they contribute almost nothing to the fights and die over and over. Sometimes a little by healing or ranged damage (devs need to un-nerf casters so they can also do good magical ranged dps).

It makes the rest of the party work harder, the run go slower and might have to lower skulls. However, one can still contribute outside of fighting by breaking boxes, maybe trapping and helping with navigating, doing puzzles - I'm really bad at both.

But I don't care too much about rxp/min. That's because I have a lot of free time and only have one character to max - the others are first lifers that I rarely play. And I want to give something back. I was sometimes the non-contributor when I started out and R6-10 is just way way more rxp than a R1-2 that would be more at their gear/stat level.

 

[vryxnr]

Different mindsets I guess. I accept (almost) everyone in my LFM even underleveled/geared people if they ask politely and don't disrupt the party (don't run off and need to be rescued, don't pull adds, don't afk all the time esp. not without notice etc).

Sometimes they contribute almost nothing to the fights and die over and over. Sometimes a little by healing or ranged damage (devs need to un-nerf casters so they can also do good magical ranged dps).

It makes the rest of the party work harder, the run go slower and might have to lower skulls. However, one can still contribute outside of fighting by breaking boxes, maybe trapping and helping with navigating, doing puzzles - I'm really bad at both.

But I don't care too much about rxp/min. That's because I have a lot of free time and only have one character to max - the others are first lifers that I rarely play. And I want to give something back. I was sometimes the non-contributor when I started out and R6-10 is just way way more rxp than a R1-2 that would be more at their gear/stat level.

Which is great for you! But it must be said: you are not everyone. Some people do not have a lot of free time, but still enjoy playing with others. When someone joins them who does slow things down, it makes it less fun of even not fun at all, since they often don't have the luxury of being randomly inefficient... but they still have the right to play this game in the short amounts of time they do have to spend on it.

I'm not trying to be argumentative, so please don't misunderstand me. I think your style is great and I approve of it... I simply also understand that it doesn't or even can't work for everyone all the time. Forcing either side to suffer the other is not cool imo, so I instead try to encourage both sides communicating expectations so that they know who is who so that like minded people can play together, allowing both camps to be able to have fun (just not always together, which is okay imo. Not every LFM needs to be for everyone).

(btw, I'm also a person who does both depending on my mood. More often than naught I'm in the more casual camp, and have argued many times that I'd rather spend 2 hours in one quest having fun than 2 hours blasting through 30+ quests but not enjoying myself during it... but sometimes I do want to experience efficiency, well executed coordination, or even attempt speed runs. Sometimes I do want to blast through as many quests as possible. Sometimes I am limited in time and have a goal I want to reach in that time. The key is to communicate so that anyone else involved knows the expectation for the group)

 

[GrizzlyOso]

Different mindsets I guess. I accept (almost) everyone in my LFM even underleveled/geared people if they ask politely and don't disrupt the party (don't run off and need to be rescued, don't pull adds, don't afk all the time esp. not without notice etc).

Sometimes they contribute almost nothing to the fights and die over and over. Sometimes a little by healing or ranged damage (devs need to un-nerf casters so they can also do good magical ranged dps).

It makes the rest of the party work harder, the run go slower and might have to lower skulls. However, one can still contribute outside of fighting by breaking boxes, maybe trapping and helping with navigating, doing puzzles - I'm really bad at both.

But I don't care too much about rxp/min. That's because I have a lot of free time and only have one character to max - the others are first lifers that I rarely play. And I want to give something back. I was sometimes the non-contributor when I started out and R6-10 is just way way more rxp than a R1-2 that would be more at their gear/stat level.

You literally are describing things people mean in the umbrella of be r10 ready.

Ie don’t wander off if you can’t handle i
Don’t pull adds if you can’t handle them
Don’t afk applies to all groups but definitely applies

But no! You’re not one of them, you just want the same thing! Totally different!

 

[Wizard]

Which is great for you! But it must be said: you are not everyone. Some people do not have a lot of free time, but still enjoy playing with others. When someone joins them who does slow things down, it makes it less fun of even not fun at all, since they often don't have the luxury of being randomly inefficient... but they still have the right to play this game in the short amounts of time they do have to spend on it

I see, so "be R10" ready etc, doesn't necessarily mean an elitist group, just someone that prefers quick, efficient runs.

Totally ok but I rather not join because I'm at the very low end of "R10 ready" and don't know all quests well (really poor memory and zero sense of orientation) and don't wanna annoy the party if I make the party lose some time for whatever reason or die too often.

 

[Wizard]

You literally are describing things people mean in the umbrella of be r10 ready.

Ie don’t wander off if you can’t handle i
Don’t pull adds if you can’t handle them
Don’t afk applies to all groups but definitely applies

But no! You’re not one of them, you just want the same thing! Totally different!

Doesn't "R10 ready" usually means more than that?

Like Ying's post, it usually means having the stats and skill to deal good damage (or tank/heal/cc well depending on your role - esp. CC has high stat requirements) and not die too often.