What is the LEAST gear dependent class/build in DDO?

[ChaoticNecromancer]

I'm just curious. I only played DDO as a sorcerer, wizard, warlock, and a bit with the artificer. I will buy and play Alchemist in my next life. So far, I would say that Water Savant Sorcerer and Pale Masters are the easiest to do reaper quests naked. Air sorcerers' great problem is enemies with high reflex save + evasion, as sonic spells cost too much SP. In mid levels (7~13), I find it relatively easy to play r1/2 and sometimes even r3 without gear. Literally naked. See video below.

Spoiler: Naked Wizard R1 quest

In general, legendary quests are the worst to try to beat naked. But I honestly don't think that I could solo high reapers naked with any class. Sure, having tomes and past-life stuff helps a lot. For example, a first-life Wiz doing the same quest above wouldn't have a tome and +X evocation DC from Sorcerer past lives (in the time of the video, +2). Nor the wiz feat (+1) and tome (+3 from INT bonus), making enemies pass his saves 30% more often, and with the more limited SP, would make passing such a quest naked in Reaper unviable.

This thread is not only to discuss classes and builds that can excel naked but also with very cheap gear.

 

[Dude]

Iconics are pretty good for that. They get a full set of level 15 gear, which can do a good job of carrying you until you get better gear.

 

[Ying]

Iconics are pretty good for that. They get a full set of level 15 gear, which can do a good job of carrying you until you get better gear.

Iconic gear is absolute garbage.

What is the LEAST gear dependent class/build in DDO?​

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No such thing.

 

[The Narc2]

I'm just curious. I only played DDO as a sorcerer, wizard, warlock, and a bit with the artificer. I will buy and play Alchemist in my next life. So far, I would say that Water Savant Sorcerer and Pale Masters are the easiest to do reaper quests naked. Air sorcerers' great problem is enemies with high reflex save + evasion, as sonic spells cost too much SP. In mid levels (7~13), I find it relatively easy to play r1/2 and sometimes even r3 without gear. Literally naked. See video below.

Spoiler: Naked Wizard R1 quest

In general, legendary quests are the worst to try to beat naked. But I honestly don't think that I could solo high reapers naked with any class. Sure, having tomes and past-life stuff helps a lot. For example, a first-life Wiz doing the same quest above wouldn't have a tome and +X evocation DC from Sorcerer past lives (in the time of the video, +2). Nor the wiz feat (+1) and tome (+3 from INT bonus), making enemies pass his saves 30% more often, and with the more limited SP, would make passing such a quest naked in Reaper unviable.

This thread is not only to discuss classes and builds that can excel naked but also with very cheap gear.

Doesnt SSG want you farming for gear hard and wanting to create a design where players needing to do that farming would be lucrative to theM. I think your question is basically going to lead to nerfs for anyone that explains how they are running things naked and such.

So sorry i play first life permadeath naked and most certainly am not about to discuss how, those are the rules of the club that shall not be spoken of.

 

[Fhrek]

What is the LEAST gear dependent class/build in DDO?​

The soul stone build.
Step by Step
1) Have a friend to carry you
Done!

 

[Dude]

Iconic gear is absolute garbage.

So you'd rather go with no gear? Cool story.

 

[Bliv]

Dedicated healer, hands down.

Now, are you good enough to stay alive and throw those timely heals off?

 

[ChaoticNecromancer]

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No such thing.

Disagreed. Try to run keep of the borderlands naked as an Pale Master. And as an fighter. See the difference.

Doesnt SSG want you farming for gear hard and wanting to create a design where players needing to do that farming would be lucrative to theM. I think your question is basically going to lead to nerfs for anyone that explains how they are running things naked and such.

They also want you to farm past lifes, tomes and etc.

I don't think that a first life necro could solo the quest in that video.

 

[Ying]

So you'd rather go with no gear? Cool story.

Random gen gear is better.

Disagreed. Try to run keep of the borderlands naked as an Pale Master. And as an fighter. See the difference.

LOL at using a level 1 quest as a strawman.

 

[Dude]

Random gen gear is better.

Pay attention to the topic of the thread. Iconic is the only real answer because it comes with gear, regardless of the quality. It can then be replaced methodically or randomly through random gen gear.

 

[Ying]

Pay attention to the topic of the thread. Iconic is the only real answer because it comes with gear, regardless of the quality. It can then be replaced methodically or randomly through random gen gear.

Nobody cares about hot garbage gear. Look no further than hardcore.

Anyone who thinks gear doesn't matter in this game doesn't understand mechanics, or doesn't care about doing content above Normal. The title of this thread is simply a bad question to ask.

 

[ChaoticNecromancer]

LOL at using a level 1 quest as a strawman.

Nope. Talking about epic keep.

I can run r2 and some quests r3 naked as an sorcerer or wizard. Sure, with gear is much easier.

Anyone who thinks gear doesn't matter in this game doesn't understand mechanics, or doesn't care about doing content above Normal.

First, no one said that gear don't matter. Only that matter more for one class than another. Second, the content that I did naked is on reaper. Third, I said in the original post that I don't think that legendary quests or high reaper is viable naked. Did you read my post?

OR just assumed a bunch of strawman in your head? I said that pale masters with a lot of past lives and tomes can solo some reaper content. And asked which other builds could do it. Didn't mentioned normal. Never said that gear don't matter. Stop putting words into my mouth without even reading what I posted. And that for sorcerers, water is the best specialization. In the very second line I mention doing reaper quests naked and even posted a video showing it.

 

[Monicle le Blair]

Are you talking about heroics only? If so, I guess inquisitive? You only need one crossbow and done.
Because for epics/legendary you hp/AC will be too low to survive and even with some healing you will run out of sp.

 

[Underflow]

Ki based caster Sacred Fist 14/Wild Mage 4/Monk 2.

Take T5 sacred fist, Mixed Magics, and Monk Henshin Imbues.

You don't need spellpower, tohit, damage. The only stats that matter are melee power, spell crit chance, spell crit rate and maximum ki.

You'll never be as good as a real caster but you don't interact with saves, sp, charges of resources, or anything else that the game actually cares about.

Grab a pair of handwraps for +25 Melee Power, push the funny buttons and occasionally melee things with wraps for ki. Unironically i like Locked and Loaded from Tavern Brawl, as it's a meme pair of worthless wraps with spell crit rate for some reason. A pair of Fire Lore wraps from Cannith Crafting works too.

You have access to Orchid Blossom for 25 ki regen (enough for a ki spell), and the other Ki generating thingy from GMOF, you have a ton of base concentration because none of your other skills matter, you get +1 ki regen from GMOF, so you sit around 100-200 at all times if you spend any time at all building it (Orchid blossom, again), and you have evasion + Paladin saves so you die less to spells.

 

[Neon Puce]

Random gen gear is better.

BUT YOU CAN GET 4 FRICKING LIGHT HAMMERS
FOUR HAMMERS
IS
A LOT
OF HAMMERS OK

 

[ChaoticNecromancer]

Are you talking about heroics only?

I'm talking overall gameplay in elite/low reapers.

I tried to do high reapers naked but omg, it is not feasible. Enemies rarely fail their saves, your CC lasts nothing, you run out of SP too quickly. I think that to beat naked, earlier epic quests in r5 is the maximum theoretically possible.

 

[The Narc2]

Disagreed. Try to run keep of the borderlands naked as an Pale Master. And as an fighter. See the difference.



They also want you to farm past lifes, tomes and etc.

I don't think that a first life necro could solo the quest in that video.

Wrong that quest can be soled first life naked, and wothout hires. But hirelings would make a ton easier.

 

[Xgya]

I'll define "gear dependent" as in "needs to hunt for/craft very specific gear" or how drastically one improves by getting said gear.

Given that, I'd say Ranger is the least gear-dependent.
You don't need top-of-the-line DC boosters or stats, can eke by using readily available weapons you don't have to farm for, and will generally perform the exact same way at any level you try to do it.
Make it Inquisitive, it needs even less gear.

 

[ChaoticNecromancer]

Wrong that quest can be soled first life naked, and wothout hires. But hirelings would make a ton easier.

On high reaper and epic?

'll define "gear dependent" as in "needs to hunt for/craft very specific gear"

I define as "can beat low reapers in mid, high and low epic levels without ANY gear". Like in the video which I posted.

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EDIT : A question. If I can do a quest on reaper 3 naked as an Pale Master, should I expect to be able to do the same quest on reaper 4+ naked as an Alchemist? Or only lower reaper?

 

[The Narc2]

On high reaper and epic?



I define as "can beat low reapers in mid, high and low epic levels without ANY gear". Like in the video which I posted.

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EDIT : A question. If I can do a quest on reaper 3 naked as an Pale Master, should I expect to be able to do the same quest on reaper 4+ naked as an Alchemist? Or only lower reaper?

I was simply saying first life toons can run reaper naked without all the past lives and such. Certainly the quest in your video for sure can easily be run on a first life toon naked. As for running R5 plus, those settings are heavily designed to push gear dependency and past lives and tomes, i am sure certain AOE DPS builds can accomplish some of those solo but the value on the return on time spent doesnt seem worthwhile.