What is the LEAST gear dependent class/build in DDO?

[ChaoticNecromancer]

. Certainly the quest in your video for sure can easily be run on a first life toon naked.

This I disagree. Look how in merely r1, and by saving SP a lot, I almost run out of SP. Imagine with less SP and enemies making their saves 30% more often, less hp, worse saves, if you can find a way to hit and avoid being hit every time, surely, maybe you could with a lot of lucky do a r1 quest naked on lv 12. BUT on legendary levels, gear bonuses become too big.

For eg, Legendary Staff of Inner Sight. One item. It gives +5 to the DC of all spells. More than all sorc past lives + wiz past lives combined. Also buffs your int by +13, which is +6 DC on all spells, or +11 DC. So, one item on DC alone could make an enemy that has 5% chance of failing an save, having 60%. Gear matters a lot on end game stuff. Low epics in low reaper is imo the maximum which someone can do naked. At lv 1, your past lives worth more than even the best gear which you can find. At lv 32, is a minor bonus and gear is the most important thing ever.

And is not every toon that can do it. For eg, an fighter naked is much more helpless than an Pale Master naked.

 

[The Narc2]

This I disagree. Look how in merely r1, and by saving SP a lot, I almost run out of SP. Imagine with less SP and enemies making their saves 30% more often, less hp, worse saves, if you can find a way to hit and avoid being hit every time, surely, maybe you could with a lot of lucky do a r1 quest naked on lv 12. BUT on legendary levels, gear bonuses become too big.

For eg, Legendary Staff of Inner Sight. One item. It gives +5 to the DC of all spells. More than all sorc past lives + wiz past lives combined. Also buffs your int by +13, which is +6 DC on all spells, or +11 DC. So, one item on DC alone could make an enemy that has 5% chance of failing an save, having 60%. Gear matters a lot on end game stuff. Low epics in low reaper is imo the maximum which someone can do naked. At lv 1, your past lives worth more than even the best gear which you can find. At lv 32, is a minor bonus and gear is the most important thing ever.

And is not every toon that can do it. For eg, an fighter naked is much more helpless than an Pale Master naked.

Lol let know when you want to try out EXTREME MV Permadeath, we have a naked subset within the guild. Our standard rules before the subset dont allow us hirelings, ship buffs or favor buffs and no twinked gear(which would be irrelevent for our naked subset anyways). What our naked subset does allow is the weapon quiver and ammo slots to be used, you may craft a belt with only deathblock on it, and then you are allowed to use any one other slot in the gear options. Last time was running naked i was hitting R3 quests consistently, we are allowed to run at level on elite and add one level to our character for each skull, so for example a level 6 toon could run all of saltmarsh on R3 naked!

 

[ChaoticNecromancer]

Lol let know when you want to try out EXTREME MV Permadeath, we have a naked subset within the guild. Our standard rules before the subset dont allow us hirelings, ship buffs or favor buffs and no twinked gear(which would be irrelevent for our naked subset anyways). What our naked subset does allow is the weapon quiver and ammo slots to be used, you may craft a belt with only deathblock on it, and then you are allowed to use any one other slot in the gear options. Last time was running naked i was hitting R3 quests consistently, we are allowed to run at level on elite and add one level to our character for each skull, so for example a level 6 toon could run all of saltmarsh on R3 naked!

Wow. Impressive. But I was told that people who like this type of challenge :

doesn't care about doing content above Normal.

Now, jokes aside, which classes did you found easier and harder to hit R3 naked? How martials performed? Against enemies with DR? How you dealt with CC mobs? And did you completed legendary and high epic quests? I'm curious.

 

[kmoustakas]

I'm just curious. I only played DDO as a sorcerer, wizard, warlock, and a bit with the artificer. I will buy and play Alchemist in my next life. So far, I would say that Water Savant Sorcerer and Pale Masters are the easiest to do reaper quests naked. Air sorcerers' great problem is enemies with high reflex save + evasion, as sonic spells cost too much SP. In mid levels (7~13), I find it relatively easy to play r1/2 and sometimes even r3 without gear. Literally naked. See video below.

Spoiler: Naked Wizard R1 quest

In general, legendary quests are the worst to try to beat naked. But I honestly don't think that I could solo high reapers naked with any class. Sure, having tomes and past-life stuff helps a lot. For example, a first-life Wiz doing the same quest above wouldn't have a tome and +X evocation DC from Sorcerer past lives (in the time of the video, +2). Nor the wiz feat (+1) and tome (+3 from INT bonus), making enemies pass his saves 30% more often, and with the more limited SP, would make passing such a quest naked in Reaper unviable.

This thread is not only to discuss classes and builds that can excel naked but also with very cheap gear.

Someone did 1-20 in HARDCORE NO LESS with a naked no weapons no nothing sacred fist.

 

[Dude]

Nobody cares about hot garbage gear. Look no further than hardcore.

Anyone who thinks gear doesn't matter in this game doesn't understand mechanics, or doesn't care about doing content above Normal. The title of this thread is simply a bad question to ask.

And yet OP asked because he's curious. Maybe try not gatekeeping what questions are ok to ask.

 

[ChaoticNecromancer]

Someone did 1-20 in HARDCORE NO LESS with a naked no weapons no nothing sacred fist.

Playing on reaper? At least elite?

 

[The Narc2]

Wow. Impressive. But I was told that people who like this type of challenge :


Now, jokes aside, which classes did you found easier and harder to hit R3 naked? How martials performed? Against enemies with DR? How you dealt with CC mobs? And did you completed legendary and high epic quests? I'm curious.

I would have to say that playstyle is very important along with the build, the more you are in contact with the mobs the leas likelihood of success, the toon i was runnning R3 naked was very speedy and had a combination of spells and missiles to manage resource use. Quest knowledge is extremely important as well, in EXTREME MV Permadeath we consider heroic Saltmarsh to be an early marker for difficulty to the point that some refuse to go in there without a full group, when i ran it naked on R3 it was an on the edge of your seat moment throughout.

Based of being first life I would not suggest a Martial build unless you are sticking to the easiest of quest selection or are expecting to have alot of quest failures.

Have several options within the build that are not gear related obviously in order to deal with breaking DR’s, as well our naked version did not limit switching weapons.

Generally for CC mobs I am also tending to build around ways to get immunities to being CC’d, i like to play the game while moving, the devs like to deaign ways to make you not move in hopes they can kill you and make you spend points or money, both of which i find disdainful.

Because we are playing permadeath I have yet to get a naked toon to epics, but i would hazard to say that it is likely epics would be far easier than running mid to high heroics, just because of the extra flexibility of adding the epic destiny powers. As for legendary, legendary use to be a breeze but since the epic destiny redux they have slowly but steadily crept up all the values of mobs in legendary, including hit points, attack hits and damage, plus saves, so these indeed would be much more challenging naked on reaper.

 

[Thira]

It depends, I guess, on what you define as very cheap gear. You could certainly run a pure barb or pure DL melee through everything at least r1 with gear you can find or buy off the auction house. I would say, in general, that casting is more gear and past life dependent than melee/ranged dps just due to needing DCs.

 

[TrappedSoulstone]

It all depends on metrics and context. If i was to give advise to a new player. Something that will be easy to make work and will have reliable results - I like PM EK. While not exactly true, HC builds are good indicator in this regards.

 

[ChaoticNecromancer]

REAPER - Elite keep of the borderlands. Naked as an alchemist

Part 2 :

Spoiler: second part

hat casting is more gear and past life dependent than melee/ranged dps just due to needing DCs.

Yes and no. You need gear for DC for CC BUT at the same time don't need gear for damage against non evasion mobs. And can use spells to move very fast and kite mobs while your DD kills them. Ranged mobs you can fire a salvo of vials/spells and run back to cover and keep repeating. See the video above. I doubt that any martial class could do it.

The hardest type of mobs to face when you are naked on reaper is not the high DPS brute or archer. Is the CC caster. One hold person and you are dead.

This is why imo undead shroud from PM/Dhampir helps naked runs so much.

It also gives fortification outside of gear. Which can be a life saver.

 

[Qrvar]

I define as "can beat low reapers in mid, high and low epic levels without ANY gear". Like in the video which I posted.

Under this definition, probably any spellcaster nuker build (anything that doesn't rely on DCs). Physical classes (both melee and ranged) won't have reliable to-hit chance without gear and will suffer too much from the grazing mechanics. Any CC / instakill builds are also out of the question due to lack of reliable DCs.

Also, KotB is not a great benchmark IMO, at least I find those quests quite a bit easier than even some of the old lv20 epics. They are also too short for issues like SP management to come into play.

 

[Anurakh]

Under this definition, probably any spellcaster nuker build (anything that doesn't rely on DCs). Physical classes (both melee and ranged) won't have reliable to-hit chance without gear and will suffer too much from the grazing mechanics. Any CC / instakill builds are also out of the question due to lack of reliable DCs.

Also, KotB is not a great benchmark IMO, at least I find those quests quite a bit easier than even some of the old lv20 epics. They are also too short for issues like SP management to come into play.

nuker spells require DC too.

 

[Qrvar]

nuker spells require DC too.

But they are not 'all or nothing' most of the time, unilike CC / instakill.

 

[Anurakh]

But they are not 'all or nothing' most of the time, unilike CC / instakill.

there are many mobs with evasion, and the damage is pitiful if enemies are saving all the timee for half damage.

It's better than a pure CC/IK DC caster, but not much more.

In any case, on low difficulty all classes can complete quests naked (except for the weapon of choice in the case of weapon users), and on high difficulties no class is good without equipment.

 

[J1NG]

Depends entirely what level you're talking about.

If you've made it to cap and you want to ask about which class can do Legendary Reaper content without any gear at all, then it's the Alchemist.

If during levelling, it'll vary depending on quest and what level you have reached running it without any gear.

J1NG

 

[Qrvar]

there are many mobs with evasion, and the damage is pitiful if enemies are saving all the timee for half damage.

Half is still a lot better than the grazing hits melee or ranged toons would get without the sufficient ability score and to-hit bonuses.

I suppose the only thing better would be warlock, because EB doesn't roll to hit, though I've heard they fall off hard in epics.

 

[Quartis]

On heroic any dmg spellcaster, only really need a weapon with the suited spell power. But any sane person will also want to have a movespeed item, if doesnt got by past lifes already.

I think such tests are not fair in DDO as Tomes, Past Lifes give huge bonuses.

Anyway, well done, beating this epic reaper quests with no equip.

 

[l_remmie]

An inquisitive comes to mind. With a lootgen xbow and lootgen gear you should be fine in heroic elite content. You can shoot the scary stuff before it hurts you.

Warlocks are also pretty good. You just need some spellpower stuff from the auction house and you can go blasting.

My personal favorite is the blight druid.
Its practically unkillable and everything dies to prickly bushes. You just need some force spellpower and you are good to go. Could pry run around naked with a force sceptre and get to 20.

Fighters and barbarians arent bad but accidents happen when you get stuck in melee range. A good weapon and some defensive gear really help out.

Casters are squishy and run out of spellpoints. It can work fine even with very little gear but it's not beginner friendly at all to do so.

 

[Jasparius]

So you'd rather go with no gear? Cool story.

You can go to the AH and with plat buy level 15 gear that will be better than the Iconic gear set you get at level 15.

 

[Dude]

You can go to the AH and with plat buy level 15 gear that will be better than the Iconic gear set you get at level 15.

Neat. The OP isn't asking about that.