What makes Ying's Bow tick?

[CuSO4]

Say I want to play ying's bow but I want to play a slightly gimped version with easier leveling. I understand that it's a bit more of a complicated build for maxed dps, but what are the critical parts that contribute to this? What enchancments, epic destinies, feats, items, sneak attack dice amounts, and stats are necessary to make it work?

 

[rabidfox]

are necessary to make it work?

Should be more specific about what you want to use it for. For H/L casual/normal you can get away with a lot.

 

[Chai]

There are two builds. One is the "first life" version, the other is after you have the PLs. The "first life" build is the ranged build I enjoyed the most with an "in progress" (but not literally first life) character. After you get done with lawn mower simulator 1.0 to gain the PLs, the other build is more powerful at endgame.

 

[Contessor]

Say I want to play ying's bow but I want to play a slightly gimped version with easier leveling. I understand that it's a bit more of a complicated build for maxed dps, but what are the critical parts that contribute to this? What enchancments, epic destinies, feats, items, sneak attack dice amounts, and stats are necessary to make it work?

Levelling bow builds is a slog. It definitely is easier with IPS but still not ideal. I would advise using a levelling build that can be converted in epics or just to get PLs.

 

[Jummby]

Put in rapid reload early than swap it a cap. Level it using inq tree. Anything is better than leveling a bow build.

 

[Fisto Mk I]

Anything is better than leveling a bow build.

Leveling shuri build mebbe?

 

[Ying]

You take enhancements, feats, etc that result in maximum damage for the gear and past lives you have. Because your job as a damage dealer is to deal out as much as possible. Take a look at the past-life progression recommendation at the end of first life bow build. It provides some insight into which past lives, class levels and enhancement trees provide the most damage increases early on.

I don't recommend soloing when leveling as a bow or thrower because it's a slog. The last time I solo leveled as a thrower it made me want to quit the game.

 

[Col Kurtz]

I only did one bow life so far, its tricky to have fun with.
Its far better to have pre farmed GOOD bows to use, as you lvl, before going to bows.
The tricky part is finding groups that your style and timing mesh well with. A really zergy group will not be fun, as you'll just be picking off random trash because you won't have time to target key enemies. To slow a group >you'll be drawing aggro and kiting enemies around while the melee and spell casters play follow the leader games with the mobs.

its obviously possible... a bowman can be a great addition to a group at any lvl...just takes practice and timing.

like ying said, you'll be cursing yourself some days when trying to solo piles of trash in small confined areas

 

[Contessor]

You take enhancements, feats, etc that result in maximum damage for the gear and past lives you have. Because your job as a damage dealer is to deal out as much as possible. Take a look at the past-life progression recommendation at the end of first life bow build. It provides some insight into which past lives, class levels and enhancement trees provide the most damage increases early on.

I don't recommend soloing when leveling as a bow or thrower because it's a slog. The last time I solo leveled as a thrower it made me want to quit the game.

I did a trailblazer as a Shuri because I thought it would be easier than QS. Boy that was a huge miscalculation. I think so would level a tank before another thrower.

 

[Marshal_Lannes]

My thread has a lot of information on leveling with a bow. It is slower than an AOE class, but you can still have a lot of fun. It depends on whether you want to experience gameplay or want to get through a life as fast as possible.

Analysis of the Elven Ranger

 

[I dont Like gimps]

Just a general thing about yings build to keep in mind is that hes fully focusing on full single target dps he interpretates his job to deal with dooms etc and not trash since his mates usually clear trash before he fires a second arrow and as such swapping between ips and archers focus is pointless
Hence he doesnt take IPS which makes sense for his playstyle/group play

But not really for people who pug a lot i often find myself in groups that don't have the same nuking capabilities and definitely find value in swapping to IPS a few times a quest

 

[FixBows]

Here is the best way to level a bow build. Create a level 1 character (rogue or whatever your build is) and go to your air ship or an air ship of a friend that has the 5% XP bonus. Hopefully you have a master's gift or some other form of xp item as well as the tome of learning. Buy an otto box and use the xp stone. From here, you should be like level 19. Run a few quests at lvl 17+ and get to lvl 20. Then buy an improved Epic Otto Box and repeat the xp process. Then do Orchard slayers until you get 7500. Boom, you are lvl 30. If you are not quite lvl 30, then do some Thunderholme slayers. I would say do Barovia slayers too, but that requires you to actually run a quest.

Or, just build a paralyze archer with IPS and level easily to lvl 20. Then respect to dps build.

FWIW I do use the Ying build for my raid toon, but it is very frustrating leveling without boxing up past all the annoyance of actually leveling.

 

[Marshal_Lannes]

Telling someone not to play a bow build until 32 is dubious advice. Picking a bow build from the forums, not playing it till 32, then expecting to do anything with it is an even worse idea. The entire idea behind leveling your character is that you are learning countless things about how to play, even if you don't realize it at the time. It's the whole Wax on, Wax off Karate Kid muscle memory concept. There are many nuances in gameplay that are vital for you to figure out if you plan on being successful in high-reaper. I've learned a ton about bows from playing different variations of bow builds. You get firsthand experience on what imbues do versus sneak attacks or the differences between Falconry and Horizon Walker. If you don't have the foundational knowledge that goes into learning about this, then you're never going to play at level 32 up to a build's potential because you never put in the core work. The simple act of target marking within Horizon Walker is something you need to do hundreds of times while leveling so that it becomes second nature. Are you going to get outkilled by the sorcerer in your group 5 zillion to 5 in a level 10 quest doing this? Yeah, you will. But then when you're Level 32 and you are used to marking and deleting mobs all that will have paid off.

 

[Ying]

Hence he doesnt take IPS which makes sense for his playstyle/group play

I do take IPS for leveling. I swap it out at end game.

Telling someone not to play a bow build until 32 is dubious advice. Picking a bow build from the forums, not playing it till 32, then expecting to do anything with it is an even worse idea.

I don't tell people how to play the game, and I certainly don't tell them how to level. That's out of scope for any build. I provide what works for me and my goals, which are explicitly stated at the beginning of the build doc.

 

[I dont Like gimps]

I do take IPS for leveling. I swap it out at end game.

I don't tell people how to play the game, and I certainly don't tell them how to level. That's out of scope for any build. I provide what works for me and my goals, which are explicitly stated at the beginning of the build doc.

Its funny that he believes that a Bow build needs training mans acting like playing a ranged char is equal to alchemist gameplay

2) yeah thought so I just wanted to Point it out , since u usually had a smol "why i dont take IPS" in your files

 

[I dont Like gimps]

Telling someone not to play a bow build until 32 is dubious advice. Picking a bow build from the forums, not playing it till 32, then expecting to do anything with it is an even worse idea. The entire idea behind leveling your character is that you are learning countless things about how to play, even if you don't realize it at the time. It's the whole Wax on, Wax off Karate Kid muscle memory concept. There are many nuances in gameplay that are vital for you to figure out if you plan on being successful in high-reaper. I've learned a ton about bows from playing different variations of bow builds. You get firsthand experience on what imbues do versus sneak attacks or the differences between Falconry and Horizon Walker. If you don't have the foundational knowledge that goes into learning about this, then you're never going to play at level 32 up to a build's potential because you never put in the core work. The simple act of target marking within Horizon Walker is something you need to do hundreds of times while leveling so that it becomes second nature. Are you going to get outkilled by the sorcerer in your group 5 zillion to 5 in a level 10 quest doing this? Yeah, you will. But then when you're Level 32 and you are used to marking and deleting mobs all that will have paid off.

I dont wanna be that guy but unless the sorc is trash u will still get outkilled 5zillion to 5 on lv 32

the legit Only thing u need to learn as a ranged char is how to properly combine Hunts end and sniper shot despite lag and as little no attack time as possible... "marking has to become your second nature" bruh there are definetly some builds that u might want to level simply for the gameplay experience cough cough Monk cough but lemme tell yer HW builds arent xd

 

[FVSHasBeenGuttedwhyohwhy]

i havent seen what really makes the bow toon tick. using a bow

 

[I dont Like gimps]

i havent seen what really makes the bow toon tick. using a bow

Instruction unclear "bow" is now stuck in toaster

 

[Marshal_Lannes]

I dont wanna be that guy but unless the sorc is trash u will still get outkilled 5zillion to 5 on lv 32

the legit Only thing u need to learn as a ranged char is how to properly combine Hunts end and sniper shot despite lag and as little no attack time as possible... "marking has to become your second nature" bruh there are definetly some builds that u might want to level simply for the gameplay experience cough cough Monk cough but lemme tell yer HW builds arent xd

You don't have to tell me because I've done it. If you think that's all there is to play an archer (Hunt's End and Sniper Shot) then we aren't playing at the same level. But, since you advise skipping playing archers till L32 then I fully understand why you don't know the nuances of the class.

 

[I dont Like gimps]

You don't have to tell me because I've done it. If you think that's all there is to play an archer (Hunt's End and Sniper Shot) then we aren't playing at the same level. But, since you advise skipping playing archers till L32 then I fully understand why you don't know the nuances of the class.

Please go on elaborate on the Nuances
I once actively leveled myself as a bow char and wanted to off myself for it atleast thrice a day never again nothin learned from doing so..

"we arent playing at the same level" please tell me whats your level?