What the heck is the point of these two items?

Vua

Mostly A Douche
It's historical facts, lol. Jean II Le Meingre aka Boucicaut, according to the chronicle "Acts of Marshal Busiko," he could climb a vertical ladder in full armor, using only arm strength, without the help of legs, and also do somersaults in full armament.

Not so much as you think possible. Experiments with modern accurate replicas of medieval combat armor showed a decrease in mobility of no more than 20%.
I personally saw with my own eyes how a man in full armor with plate gloves unscrewed the covers of soda bottles and played the guitar. ;)
Unscrewing soda bottles and 1 person alleged to have done somersaults? Tell me more about this single person negating that I said your less agile? Get out of here.
 

Shall

Well-known member
Sounds like Watership Down Online :)


I'm going to freak if we get Rabbit race before Kobolds.
Gonna be honest, I never read that and so don't understand the reference. I had just watched the music video for Solsbury Hill when I made that post though.
 

kmoustakas

Scourge of Xaos


Ones a robe ones "clothing". They have the exact same stats. As far as I can tell the only difference is cosmetic, which if you want cosmetics we have entire slots just for cosmetics.
And yet you are not allowed to have a profane experiment docent, no no (amongst other sets that lack a docent of course, like knight of shadows or crypt raider).
 

Matuse

Join Date: February 2006
I'm fully aware of different types of armor. I'm not talking about jousting armor and you're not doing cartwheels in full plate. It didn't make you immobile, but carrying 60+ extra pounds definitely made you much less agile.

Cool story, except it wasn't 60 pounds and I've personally seen someone wearing authentic medieval full plate do a cartwheel.
 

Seldarin

Well-known member
all the way back to at least thunder forged shadowscale stuff.
Robes and outfits have been around for well over a decade, well before there were named ones. As others have said, its a looks thing, some folks prefer to be in an outfit, others dont mind wearing a dress that drags on the ground.
 

Zvdegor

Melee Artificer Freak

Fisto Mk I

Well-known member
Cool story, except it wasn't 60 pounds and I've personally seen someone wearing authentic medieval full plate do a cartwheel.
Leave this guy. Don't you see - he is the only one (as he thinks) who is allowed to choose primary sources.
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Therefore, those of them that contradict his delusions, based, as is quite obvious, on imbecile pseudo-historical films and TV shows, he simply ignores.

We can only hope that someday he will get out of his mother's basement and get to the field performances of historical reenactors... well, or at least it will reach the nearest library... 8)

And about 60-pound armour... it's about 27kg, right? Personally, i wore chainmail made of twin grover rings weighing 22 kg. I did not do somersaults in it ( can't do somersaults even without chainmail, lol), but running, jumping and tumbling in it is quite possible, I did it repeatedly.
 
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IanMoon8

Well-known member
And about 60-pound armour... it's about 27kg, right? Personally, i wore chainmail made of twin grover rings weighing 22 kg. I did not do somersaults in it ( can't do somersaults even without chainmail, lol), but running, jumping and tumbling in it is quite possible, I did it repeatedly.
Go on youtube. There's like a million videos of people in full-plate doing cartwheels, sumersaults, jumping super high.

The part everyone leaves out is that while you certainly have full freedom of movement and dexterity, jumping around with 27kg of armor is TIRING. A medieval knight who got off his horse was basically asking to be killed because anyone not wearing armor could run circles around him until he's tired out, then kill him with a really big hammer.

There was a great documentary I watched a million years ago called "How to Kill a Knight". It was a lot of fun.
 

Enoach

Well-known member
If memory serves me, we didn't see outfits in the mix until the monk class was added Module 7 (June 2008)

I think this was also pre-cosmetic gear.
 

vryxnr

Well-known member
What is the point of some specific thing existing? To confuse or to piss you off. That is why.
 

GrizzlyOso

Well-known member
For the same reason you can resist a fireball in a metallic full plate, that should cook you alive, better than you can in a robe. Same goes for Electricity.
That reason being … ?

First of all I’d much rather take a fireball in full plate that nothing. And I’m pretty sure you have a better chance in full plate of lightning going to ground with out touching you than a robe.

But even if what you’re arguing is true, sure, make those things damage a robe less, heavy armor more. Why would they be the same ?
 
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