What's faster?

J1NG

I can do things others can't...
In theory, because there's such a huge RNG element to this for MD item drop (for specifics), whilst unless if you box up for the other, in theory you could get the MD farm done up in a weekend (because RNG when it loves you). Whilst a Completionist will always take X amount of time when run normally.

So whilst it's no guarantee, the answer is always going to lean towards MD being faster in this case.

J1NG
 

Drachmor

Well-known member
It's weird seeing people 6-box for gear. I'm like... dang. That's smart. I have zero interest in doing that, but it's basically a 6x booster on your chances to find the gear you want. Makes ransacking on a single client seem like... idk, turning in all of your sagas for guild renown without chugging a renown pot.

If people are complaining this consistently about drop rates, and others are finding solutions to those complaints... idk. I don't like the 6-boxing, but to solve that issue, I feel like it's the drop rates that need to be targeted.
 

Spook

Ghostly Troll
The real answer is that post MD content will arrive faster than both, including ML34 gear, and that during 2025 SSG will start prepping for the Level 36 cap increase of 2026.

So these gripes have a sell-by date.
Actually this is incorrect as they intend to keep the sun and moon system so solar augments being rare will be a problem in the future too.
 

Jummby

Well-known member
Would it be faster to take a 1st life toon and run it (with no boxes) up to full completionist, racial completionist, and all epic past lives (and let's say 12 iconics)
OR
would it be faster to gear out your toon in fully optimized MD gear (let's say for a light melee) assuming you have nothing and no one passes you gear? You have no shards for rerolls, and assume you will be using scimitars and pure ranger tempest.
If you aren't using boxes, your looking at well over 100 lives with no tr timers. Even with just waiting to tr if you get them all done in under 3 days? Over a year?

You put a post that said your done with the game that cordovan shut, so I am.guessing 1 year is too long.

MD loot to get all of it? I guess lots of people ran it to death in the first few weeks already. Based on the majority of the feedback, a majority of players aren't happy with the loot and who knows if you will get it all in a year. I am.guessing yes if you get some.help from people. A year is a long time, but who knows. There are people playing over 15 years that still haven't pulled a Jibbers.

When Cordovan shut your post after 13 pages of feed back he posted a message about it maybe being a nice day outside and to go check it out. I took that as they aren't adjusting the loot aren't adjusting loot, no matter how much negative feedback arises.
 

Rusty_helmet

Well-known member
If you aren't using boxes, your looking at well over 100 lives with no tr timers. Even with just waiting to tr if you get them all done in under 3 days? Over a year?

You put a post that said your done with the game that cordovan shut, so I am.guessing 1 year is too long.

MD loot to get all of it? I guess lots of people ran it to death in the first few weeks already. Based on the majority of the feedback, a majority of players aren't happy with the loot and who knows if you will get it all in a year. I am.guessing yes if you get some.help from people. A year is a long time, but who knows. There are people playing over 15 years that still haven't pulled a Jibbers.

When Cordovan shut your post after 13 pages of feed back he posted a message about it maybe being a nice day outside and to go check it out. I took that as they aren't adjusting the loot aren't adjusting loot, no matter how much negative feedback arises.
I took that the same way. We aren’t changing it, so suck it up. I agree the thread was no longer productive (or maybe never was), but it is important to continue to show how dissatisfied we are and how we are taking our business elsewhere.
 

Jummby

Well-known member
And those customers will take there money else where thats cool too
$40 US for a base expansion pack isn't a lot of money to some. When you start looking at paying $130 for everything that you want (while getting things you don't even care about in some cases), is aggressive pricing.

A full expansion is around 10 quests, a slayer area a 1 small raid at this point. You can buy more than a few whole games at this point for $130 US. You can buy 3 or 4 premium games.for that money with sales on Steam.

DDO is a great game with an amazing community that supports it Hopefully the lofty premium to continue to play it with diminishing content per pack keeps the game.going.
 

Natashaelle

Time Bandit
my guess is average player would farm out the gear first but that's because it theoretically takes less in game time to do that. you login, ransack you 5-6 chests for the week and don't play for the rest of the week vs 24/7 non stop playing for past lives. given how most people login for a few hours a week (ya know, casuals) I'd say the MD farm is more likely...
If your "average player" is on the TR choo-choo train and not parked at the endgame, that is unlikely to be how he plays the game, or MD specifically.
 

Jummby

Well-known member
I took that the same way. We aren’t changing it, so suck it up. I agree the thread was no longer productive (or maybe never was), but it is important to continue to show how dissatisfied we are and how we are taking our business elsewhere.
Talking about playing another toon to get over 100 lives or farming even more after saying your leaving the.game sends the message that they can do whatever and your still here playing.

None of the loot drop threads have been productive. In fact they took all that in and said we need to make the 2 big rares in slayers, even more rare.

If you are playing MD, that means you bought the pack. No use crying over spilt milk. Just keep it in mind they time they try to sell you something.
 

Natashaelle

Time Bandit
Actually this is incorrect as they intend to keep the sun and moon system so solar augments being rare will be a problem in the future too.
I don't personally lose any sleep over any unfilled augment slots, nor do I feel compelled to spam any quests some dozens of times to try and fill those gaps.

Also, sun and moon augments will drop in future content as well.
 

Vua

Well-known member
In theory, because there's such a huge RNG element to this for MD item drop (for specifics), whilst unless if you box up for the other, in theory you could get the MD farm done up in a weekend (because RNG when it loves you). Whilst a Completionist will always take X amount of time when run normally.

So whilst it's no guarantee, the answer is always going to lean towards MD being faster in this case.

J1NG
In theory, I could become a Jedi tomorrow, and we probably have equal chances of our theories becoming reality.










Didn't happen yet but it's coming. I can feel it.










I totally just typed that with my mind.











Well and a couple fingers but it was close.










I'll let you know how I feel in the morning. Let me know how your looting goes.
 

Jummby

Well-known member
Who is this "we" ? The 50+ players who responded negatively to that poll ? Or is it just you personally ?
For the size of the community and the overwhelming negative responses on over 100 responses, that's pretty big.

I do get your frustration though when posters in general use phrases like Everyone, We, All of Us, etc...To state thier view on what the community wants.

I do think in this case, The OP is correct on most player feedback on this pack.

I don't believe in coincidence. After all the negative feedback on the last release, SSG shifted the narrative to dangling the 64 bit fix the lag carrot, from the negative responses from the last release.

On a business level I think that was VERY smart. Ultimately many in the community want the lag issues addressed and this was the perfect time to do that.
 

Natashaelle

Time Bandit
For the size of the community and the overwhelming negative responses on over 100 responses, that's pretty big.
A certain number of negative comments on that poll thread and a little over half of those responding negatvely to a poll with "over 100 responses" is not "pretty big", and it is most certainly not "overwhelming".

I would describe as overwhelmingly negative the organised protest against the project to get rid of tokens of the 12, and even moreso the general rejection of the original plan for increasing the level cap beyond 30. Those were not some dozens of players expressing some negativity (IMO overly exaggerated), but IIRC thousands of players who rejected those things. This is a storm in a teacup by comparison.
I don't believe in coincidence. After all the negative feedback on the last release, SSG shifted the narrative to dangling the 64 bit fix the lag carrot, from the negative responses from the last release.
It is very weird to suggest that this long-standing plan to make the shift to 64-bit servers were somehow a response to the gripes of a small number of forum members who contributed to that poll.
 
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Sarlona Raiding

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A certain number of negative comments on that poll thread and a little over half of those responding negatvely to a poll with "over 100 responses" is not "pretty big", and it is most certainly not "overwhelming".

I would describe as overwhelmingly negative the organised protest against the project to get rid of tokens of the 12, and even moreso the general rejection of the original plan for increasing the level cap beyond 30. Those were not some dozens of players expressing some negativity (IMO overly exaggerated), but IIRC thousands of players who rejected those things. This is a storm in a teacup by comparison.

It is very weird to suggest that this long-standing plan to make the shift to 64-bit servers were somehow a response to the gripes of a small number of forum members who contributed to that poll.
Polls are data points and that specific data point lines up with in-game comments and opinions I hear all the time about Myth Drannor.

When you talk about "dozens" that is very interesting, but not even a dozen people voted very favorable. Not even half-a-dozen! A grand total of 4 people voted very favorable and none of those 4 provided a single reason why they voted that way lol.

It's not unusual for people to ignore data points they disagree with. I was baffled to learn that people actually believe the earth is flat despite so much evidence to the contrary. To each his own.

Speaking for myself only. Myth Drannor is massive dud.
 

Bjond

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create a bunch of multiple past life toons that *stop* after getting the heroic pasts suggested by the build.
That's what I did, but TBH, heroics aren't nearly as nice as Epic PLs. Iconics for 1 EPL 1 IPL 1 HPL. Get some RXP on that first trip while banking sagas, recycle to 25~26, cap, and ITR.

I have 5 characters, which really feels like 1 too many: ranged, melee, tank, caster, and whatever. Sure, I'd like full racials for the expanded build options, but you get so much more so much faster out of doing EPLs that unless you're a living TR hamster that loves the wheel, skip heroics as much as possible.
 

Shear-buckler

Well-known member
This is what I was responding too: "You can see it however you like, but the game doesn't do a good job of supporting alts at all."

Which clearly is not true.
It is clearly true though. No progression system is shared among alts except BTA loot. That you can create alts does not mean it is supported in any meaningful way.
 

dur

Paladin. Disruptor. Since the 1970s
OP: pardon me while I ...vomit and then 😭 and vomit and cry again.

I really want to understand *** is going on here.

If you want uber, buy it or play like you're retired. I mean, *** is the question again?
 
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Bjond

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That you can create alts does not mean it is supported in any meaningful way.
Best game for alt-support I've played was SWTOR, which had account progression for many things and bonuses (similar to PLs, but account-wide) for playing all classes.

IMHO, FFXI/V won't let alts on the bus. DDO forces alts to the back and charges 'em double for a bus ticket. SWTOR gives alts rail & bus passes for free.
 
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