Which PURE class gives the most imbue dice?

kmoustakas

kmoustakas

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As per title, which pure class gives the most imbue dice? Excluding universal trees, racial trees etc etc
 
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Lotoc

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Arkat said:
If they can't manage their agro, they deserve to get one-shotted.

Folks need to learn that in a co-op game, it's not about who has the biggest "imbue."
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functionally the only way to manage aggro with an imbue build is to not attack.
There is no level of threat gen that outpaces raw damage of an actual dps build without that damage being subject to threat modifiers and threat modifiers simply do not apply to imbue damage.

Meanwhile spells, melee and ranged all have at least a method of reaching 100% threat reduction even if players don't opt for them.
 
Misadventure

Misadventure

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Lotoc said:
functionally the only way to manage aggro with an imbue build is to not attack.
There is no level of threat gen that outpaces raw damage of an actual dps build without that damage being subject to threat modifiers and threat modifiers simply do not apply to imbue damage.

Meanwhile spells, melee and ranged all have at least a method of reaching 100% threat reduction even if players don't opt for them.
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So the best method to manage aggro is to pike, ok, got it! :sneaky:(y)
 
Mindos

Mindos

CHAOTIC EVIL
Someone said imbue aggro was actually spell aggro, so maybe we're using the wrong aggro reduction items?
 
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Lotoc

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Mindos said:
Someone said imbue aggro was actually spell aggro, so maybe we're using the wrong aggro reduction items?
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the devs have repeatedly confirmed they're just not coded to interract with threat reduction but somebody who's giving up a bunch of imbue dice for spell threat reduction (which is in trees which don't offer imbue dice) and thus isn't actually doing much imbue damage keeps claiming that their threat is fine.
 
Arkat

Arkat

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Lotoc said:
functionally the only way to manage aggro with an imbue build is to not attack.
There is no level of threat gen that outpaces raw damage of an actual dps build without that damage being subject to threat modifiers and threat modifiers simply do not apply to imbue damage.

Meanwhile spells, melee and ranged all have at least a method of reaching 100% threat reduction even if players don't opt for them.
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I wasn't necessarily talking about "aggro reduction" in terms of items or enhancements.

Slowing down your attacks so that your aggro never exceeds the tank's aggro (gained either by damage dealing or by using Intimidate), is probably one of the best ways to control your aggro.

When the time is right, then burst away and take down the boss.
 
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Lotoc

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Arkat said:
I wasn't necessarily talking about "aggro reduction" in terms of items or enhancements.

Slowing down your attacks so that your aggro never exceeds the tank's aggro (gained by either by damage dealing or by using Intimidate), is probably one of the best ways to control your aggro.

When the time is right, then burst away and take down the boss.
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and that isn't a reasonable expectation, if you are playing an imbue build everyone else will have killed a boss by the time you're safe to actually contribute.
The threat issue renders imbue builds totally invalid in raids because tanks simply can't generate enough threat to let a good imbue build actually dps vs every other type of build being free to nuke from the word go and imbue builds are overnerfed in r7+ because they got hit with the same nerfs casters got.
AND THEN imbues got nerfed earlier this year down to a d6 per dice without fixing the threat issue and they still will overaggro because tank threat gen is genuinely garbage relative to how overscaled damage output is.
 
Arkat

Arkat

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Lotoc said:
and that isn't a reasonable expectation, if you are playing an imbue build everyone else will have killed a boss by the time you're safe to actually contribute.
The threat issue renders imbue builds totally invalid in raids because tanks simply can't generate enough threat to let a good imbue build actually dps vs every other type of build being free to nuke from the word go and imbue builds are overnerfed in r7+ because they got hit with the same nerfs casters got.
AND THEN imbues got nerfed earlier this year down to a d6 per dice without fixing the threat issue and they still will overaggro because tank threat gen is genuinely garbage relative to how overscaled damage output is.
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Disagree.

You need to play with better players.

Imbue builds are great while soloing or with very small parties in regular dungeons.

Imbue builds will have to change their play style in raids.

It's that simple.
 
droid327

droid327

Hardcore casual soloist
Arkat said:
Imbue builds will have to change their play style in raids.

It's that simple.
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IDK, I think its kinda unfair to say 'you have to make your DPS build do less DPS'

There's nothing inherent about imbue DPS that means it shouldnt enjoy threat reduction like other weapon-based DPS. Its simply a bug. And its not incumbent on players to nerf themselves to work around a bug...that may be what you need to do right now, but its not what you should have to do...
 
Arkat

Arkat

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droid327 said:
IDK, I think its kinda unfair to say 'you have to make your DPS build do less DPS'
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I never said ANYTHING about making any build do less DPS.

Make a build that's capable of doing a monstrous amount of DPS for all I care.

If you can't kill the boss with one burst or one shot right at the beginning of the fight, you're gonna have to modify your play-style until you CAN finish off the boss.
 
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