With the new TR XP cap(s) Anyone starting new characters or reviving old Alts?

[Hireling]

Was just curious if anyone started new characters or started playing old alts again?

I revived a second life Cleric and starting a third life guy who will be a Warforged Favored Soul (melee to cap...heal at cap since he lacks the durability to melee in higher reaper stuff).

This has been great for me, because I rarely stayed at cap on my main (Hireling) because by the time I hit cap, I wanted to play something else. Finally farming RXP at cap and gear.

Also, certain classes I LOVE playing, but only in a group. So I can use the LFM panel and generally find a group to join now that I have 3 guys at different levels

Curious if anyone else doing this too?

 

[Mornyngstar]

For my alts I normally just run them up to cap and do at least 3-4 Epic TRs while I am banking all sagas and running off all favor before storing them for a Guild Bonus weekend. This TR system makes me want to run off some heroic/racial lives first before heading to epics.

 

[Dielzen]

This XP bonus is too little to care about, and certainly not an incentive to play new characters. As usual, their catch-up mechanic was too little too late.

We should have gotten a stacking +X% bonus for lower lives that lasted at least 20 lives, slowly decreasing, 100% bonus for life 1, down to 5% for life twenty, and only applies in heroics.

 

[mikarddo]

I will be running at least 3 racial lives on an alt that I had not otherwise done. Not quite a new char but only with 3 heroic lives 3 epic lives and 47 Reaper points.

 

[Mornyngstar]

Talking to my former Guild Master he made a statement that for a first lifer he could run to level 20 in about 40ish quests. Could someone that is knowledgeable confirm or show what the minimum route would be? I am unsure if he meant with xp pots or not.

 

[mikarddo]

Talking to my former Guild Master he made a statement that for a first lifer he could run to level 20 in about 40ish quests. Could someone that is knowledgeable confirm or show what the minimum route would be? I am unsure if he meant with xp pots or not.

With Vet 2 starting at level 7 using a 50% pot it sounds doable to me. From level I doubt it though.

I dont think it would be efficient either as some of the high hp quests are not fast. Say Slavers.

Google the list of xp per quest and pick the ones that give the most xp even if they are slow.

 

[Shear-buckler]

No, and I dont see why anyone would. Parking an alt at 8 vs 3 past lives makes very little difference compared to a full completionist.

 

[Sol]

It's insane how many past lives there are.

72 past lives for heroic classes*
30 past lives for iconics*
45 past lives for racial
54 past lives for epics

*When you play an iconic, you get a heroic and iconic PL, so if you wanted to minmax you should run your iconic PLs as heroic classes you haven't done yet.

So, 201 past lives total, or 171 if you make sure not to overlap your iconic and heroic past lives, and the change impacts the first 8 of them.

This change barely impacts alts because if you wanna minmax any character, racial past lives are needed on every single character. If you're being generous and only run the heroic/iconic/epic PLs that affect the classes you need for the 'end build' of the character you plan on playing, you're still going to need to run a ton of lives beyond those 'easier' first 8.

The grind is simply way too much for most people. Why waste time on an alt when you could be reincarnating your main again? They'd need to make drastic changes to EXP if they want it to not feel like a waste of time for those trying to minmax an alt.

I'm talking the first 1/3rd of your PLs are using first life exp, the next 1/3rd uses second life exp, and the last 1/3rd uses third life exp. Update this with every single new class so it's always evenly spaced.

Or just cut down how many PLs you need to do. Go from 3 PLs -> 2 PLs required to maximize the benefits of each class/racials/ect.

I can't think of a bigger treadmill in gaming honestly. I think rPLs are the biggest offender because the power is so universally strong.

 

[Mornyngstar]

It's insane how many past lives there are.

72 past lives for heroic classes
30 past lives for iconics
45 past lives for racial
54 past lives for epics

201 past lives total and the change impacts 8 of them.

This change barely impacts alts because if you wanna minmax any character, racial past lives are needed on every single character. If you're being generous and only run the heroic/iconic/epic PLs that affect the classes you need for the 'end build' of the character you plan on playing, you're still going to need to run a ton of lives beyond those 'easier' first 8.

The grind is simply way too much for most people. Why waste time on an alt when you could be reincarnating your main again? They'd need to make drastic changes to EXP if they want it to not feel like a waste of time for those trying to minmax an alt.

I'm talking the first 1/3rd of your PLs are using first life exp, the next 1/3rd uses second life exp, and the last 1/3rd uses third life exp. Update this with every single new class so it's always evenly spaced.

Or just cut down how many PLs you need to do. Go from 3 PLs -> 2 PLs required to maximize the benefits of each class/racials/ect.

I can't think of a bigger treadmill in gaming honestly. I think rPLs are the biggest offender because the power is so universally strong.

Your list accounts for 30 too many heroic classes, remember that when you do an Iconic life you get an Iconic PL and the class PL. After doing all the "normal classes" associated with the Iconics could you switch to the other Archtypes and other heroic classes, that way you skip most of the heroic lv grind? This would also set you up for the higher end reaper xp also.

 

[Solarpower]

No way !
I hate Alts and starting all over from scratch. That's the main reason for me to play DDO, you can try different classes/builds with just 1 character.

 

[Sol]

Your list accounts for 30 too many heroic classes, remember that when you do an Iconic life you get an Iconic PL and the class PL. After doing all the "normal classes" associated with the Iconics could you switch to the other Archtypes and other heroic classes, that way you skip most of the heroic lv grind? This would also set you up for the higher end reaper xp also.

Ah, I forgot about that, I'll tweak my post, thanks!

 

[Soulfry]

Was just curious if anyone started new characters or started playing old alts again?

I revived a second life Cleric and starting a third life guy who will be a Warforged Favored Soul (melee to cap...heal at cap since he lacks the durability to melee in higher reaper stuff).

This has been great for me, because I rarely stayed at cap on my main (Hireling) because by the time I hit cap, I wanted to play something else. Finally farming RXP at cap and gear.

Also, certain classes I LOVE playing, but only in a group. So I can use the LFM panel and generally find a group to join now that I have 3 guys at different levels

Curious if anyone else doing this too?

As a returning player who ends up soloing a lot, and a stable full of alts, I'm definitely going to be TR-ing more.

 

[Hireling]

Yeah, I won't be making "final completionist" from my 2 (as of now) alts.

I really enjoy Cleric, so Hjealer will just rotate Cleric lives and get 2-3 ETRs per TR.

And I really enjoy Warforged Favored Soul and pretend I am a melee DPS (it does well on R1 to cap!).

Zweihander will just repeat Warforged Favored Soul lives for Warforged past lives and try to get 2-3 ETRs per TR. Might use "wish for race" things.

Once I am done with those early Racials...I can do a few Iconics for the Class TRs and snag some Iconic Past Lives. Generally I want 3 Paladin PLs for the HAMP and can grab those with Bladeforged pretty easy.

When I get to cap with these lower power characters, they can settle into healer roles (as Cleric or Favored Soul) and I can just follow my buddies to the loot and the RXP.

This also lets me always have at least one character at cap for farming higher reaper and loot.

 

[droid327]

Yeah no it's not enough to make an alt complete, it's only like a 10% total reduction in grind time

It doesn't change the calculus, it's still not worth it to waste time on alts compared to maxing your main. The logical approach is still one fully invested main then whatever alts can suffice first life.

 

[Hireling]

Yeah no it's not enough to make an alt complete, it's only like a 10% total reduction in grind time

It doesn't change the calculus, it's still not worth it to waste time on alts compared to maxing your main. The logical approach is still one fully invested main then whatever alts can suffice first life.

For me, it let's me scratch the "I want to play cleric with my friends because they are on" or "oh nice people are doing raids" itch.
On my server, Ghallanda, we aren't big enough to always have 10 parties LFM.
So having a few characters at different points in the game for sure helps me.
Granted, the lower life characters for me mainly play support (Cleric, Arti, Favored Soul and probably Bard eventually)

 

[ACJ97F]

There's no incentive for an Alt, unless you want a backup character for raids, or to group with friends. There's no account unlocks like many
other games, and SSG just throws TR's on a bloated hamster-wheel designed for sales, making Alts less desired every patch. If the past lives
were an account thing, would be more tempted to play alts since any character could contribute, and it wouldn't effect players game time,
they'd be working on "something" regardless.

 

[Zaszgul]

The only way I'd ever seriously pursue alts in this game is if TRing them fed back to my main somehow.

 

[mikarddo]

No, and I dont see why anyone would. Parking an alt at 8 vs 3 past lives makes very little difference compared to a full completionist.

Thats because you insist on comparing with a full completionist - which is not the comparison to make.

Comparing 8 vs 3 does make quite a difference. In particular when you consider thats 16 epic past lives instead of 6. Or even 24 vs 9. Thats a huge difference!

Its also 80 Reaper points from first time bonuses at cap rather than 50 Reaper points. Another nice upgrade.

If you want to see 8 rather than 3 as pointless its entirely a choice you are making and I find it irrational. Imho

 

[Azasmokey]

I'm for sure going to do this. 2 old favorite characters who have 2 or 3 heroic past lives. I miss Runikz.

 

[KylerrTheMajty]

It's insane how many past lives there are.

72 past lives for heroic classes*
30 past lives for iconics*
45 past lives for racial
54 past lives for epics

*When you play an iconic, you get a heroic and iconic PL, so if you wanted to minmax you should run your iconic PLs as heroic classes you haven't done yet.

So, 201 past lives total, or 171 if you make sure not to overlap your iconic and heroic past lives, and the change impacts the first 8 of them.

This change barely impacts alts because if you wanna minmax any character, racial past lives are needed on every single character. If you're being generous and only run the heroic/iconic/epic PLs that affect the classes you need for the 'end build' of the character you plan on playing, you're still going to need to run a ton of lives beyond those 'easier' first 8.

The grind is simply way too much for most people. Why waste time on an alt when you could be reincarnating your main again? They'd need to make drastic changes to EXP if they want it to not feel like a waste of time for those trying to minmax an alt.

I'm talking the first 1/3rd of your PLs are using first life exp, the next 1/3rd uses second life exp, and the last 1/3rd uses third life exp. Update this with every single new class so it's always evenly spaced.

Or just cut down how many PLs you need to do. Go from 3 PLs -> 2 PLs required to maximize the benefits of each class/racials/ect.

I can't think of a bigger treadmill in gaming honestly. I think rPLs are the biggest offender because the power is so universally strong.

It's not that hard you just need to have no life you can check my signature