Make platinum purchased exclusive bags unauctionable

[Arch-Necromancer]

I noticed that the auction house, both platinum and AS is full of "scam" posts that sell those platinum purchasable exclusive bags way above their NPC price.

Those are obvious scams put there by a-holes to make money on new inexperienced players who are either not aware that they can buy this from an NPC for platinum at normal price, or are not aware that they are exclusive.

It would be nice to make those not auctionable. Not just to help prevent players from being scammed to purchase this for much higher price, but to also help people who actually search the auction house for large bags to not have to scroll all those scams to be able to find the stuff that actually should be there.

There are probably more similar examples of items that should also not be auctionable.

 

[Reaped and Ravaged]

Do people actually buy these? I do agree they should be unauctionable.

 

[Lazuli]

Do people actually buy these?

Yes, new players need several bags to store collectibles and it is not easy to get large bags. Even exclusives are useful, because you can keep several of them in the shared bank even if you can only have one in the inventory. I used them when I was a new player.

I usually put those medium bags at less than 1K platinum and I always sell them. I also make the large one cheap, if I can get the favor that life.

So no to your proposal. It is true that some players abuse the price, but for others we make them cheap and they help new players.

 

[Cheeps]

Yes, new players need several bags to store collectibles and it is not easy to get large bags. Even exclusives are useful, because you can keep several of them in the shared bank even if you can only have one in the inventory. I used them when I was a new player.

I usually put those medium bags at less than 1K platinum and I always sell them. I also make the large one cheap, if I can get the favor that life.

So no to your proposal. It is true that some players abuse the price, but for others we make them cheap and they help new players.

It's not just new players.

I sometimes start a toon on a new server and look for those bags on the AH.

I usually sell them for dirt cheap and hope someone who needs them gets them.

But in reality, some DB probably buys them for the cheap price and resells them for stupid price.

 

[Lazuli]

In any case, if they are very new they will not be able to pay the excessive prices, and if they are new players but not so new, they probably already know about the sellers in house jorasco and do not fall into the trap of very expensive bags.

 

[Sophie The Cat Burglar]

Making Small Ingredient Bags, Medium Collectible Bags, Medium Gem Bags, Small Narrow Quivers, and Small Wide Quivers not auctionable is a very good idea. Putting those items on Marketplace sellers is also a very good idea.

 

[Reaped and Ravaged]

Yes, new players need several bags to store collectibles and it is not easy to get large bags. Even exclusives are useful, because you can keep several of them in the shared bank even if you can only have one in the inventory. I used them when I was a new player.

I usually put those medium bags at less than 1K platinum and I always sell them. I also make the large one cheap, if I can get the favor that life.

So no to your proposal. It is true that some players abuse the price, but for others we make them cheap and they help new players.

I didn't mean to imply that no one bought them but that it was iffy if people made their first purchase off the AH. They really should let you have up to 3 of each of them instead of 1. It would be less alienating to new players.

 

[Arch-Necromancer]

Yes, new players need several bags to store collectibles and it is not easy to get large bags. Even exclusives are useful, because you can keep several of them in the shared bank even if you can only have one in the inventory. I used them when I was a new player.

I usually put those medium bags at less than 1K platinum and I always sell them. I also make the large one cheap, if I can get the favor that life.

So no to your proposal. It is true that some players abuse the price, but for others we make them cheap and they help new players.

Unfortunately, there are far more scammers than people who put bags on sale for lower price.

Scam offers are so numerous that in Wayfinder you usually only have those scam offers on that category in the auction house.

And if someone even posts offers for new bags, how much is that a benefit really? Bags cost 10k platinum. Is is very easy to get and the game needs platinum sinks. And those scam offers are present even in the astral shard AH.

If someone falls for that scam and later realizes that they have been scammed (especially astral shard one), it will leave a far more bitter taste for that person and they could even leave the game.

 

[Ying]

I noticed that the auction house, both platinum and AS is full of "scam" posts that sell those platinum purchasable exclusive bags way above their NPC price.

Those are obvious scams put there by a-holes to make money on new inexperienced players who are either not aware that they can buy this from an NPC for platinum at normal price, or are not aware that they are exclusive.

It would be nice to make those not auctionable. Not just to help prevent players from being scammed to purchase this for much higher price, but to also help people who actually search the auction house for large bags to not have to scroll all those scams to be able to find the stuff that actually should be there.

There are probably more similar examples of items that should also not be auctionable.

You're directing this to a game company that has noob traps in the DDO Store which sells +1 weapons and other overpriced and arguably worthless things. Know your audience.

 

[FVSHasBeenEvenMoreGutted]

You're directing this to a game company that has noob traps in the DDO Store which sells +1 weapons and other overpriced and arguably worthless things. Know your audience.

you forgot the healer kits in the store as well as drops in chests

 

[Lazuli]

Unfortunately, there are far more scammers than people who put bags on sale for lower price.

Scam offers are so numerous that in Wayfinder you usually only have those scam offers on that category in the auction house.

And if someone even posts offers for new bags, how much is that a benefit really? Bags cost 10k platinum. Is is very easy to get and the game needs platinum sinks. And those scam offers are present even in the astral shard AH.

If someone falls for that scam and later realizes that they have been scammed (especially astral shard one), it will leave a far more bitter taste for that person and they could even leave the game.

You act like new players are silly. They're not going to pay a stupidly high price for a bag. At first they won't have the platinum, they will soon find out about the jorasco sellers.

 

[The_Apocalypse]

I like the augments in the AS auction selling for WAY more than you could just buy them from an NPC for AS.

 

[Ying]

Buying vendor bags from the AH is no different than buying a drink or popcorn at a movie theater. You know it's overpriced but you pay it anyway for the convenience. It's not like it's hard to make plat in DDO anyway. I usually have to give it away or buy more reaper wings to use in a future life because I'm constantly at cap.

And if this is really about new/inexperienced players, there's a host of fundamental issues that need to be addressed way more important than the AH.

 

[Sophie The Cat Burglar]

I strongly disagree with Lazuli, Rabidfox, and Ying on this one. I find it hard to believe that going into the equipment database and flipping the 'auctionable' switch on 5 items would take more than a few minutes. I also find it hard to believe that adding 5 pieces of equipment to another vendor or two would take more than a few minutes. If the goal is making things a little easier for inexperienced players, this seems like a pretty easy and quick place to start.

Also, the problem is not the people who sell a Medium Bag for 1,000,000 platinum. The problem is people who sell a Medium Bag for 20,000 platinum. As all of you well know, there are a bazillion collectibles, gems, and ingredients in this game. They flood the bags of new players from quest one. Free bags from the harbor help for the first few hours of play. Maybe. Then it is back to constant overflow. New players have no idea what to keep so they keep everything which makes it far worse. The upgrade to Small Ingredient, Medium Collectible, and Medium Gem bags helps a lot, which most of you well know from play on the Hardcore servers. Also, if a new player pays a scalper, then later learns he or she was scammed, that may be enough to cause a walk away. It feels really cruddy. So shut it down. No, it does not fix everything. This game could do a lot more to make things easier for new players. However, this seems like an easy and quick fix so do it already.

 

[woq]

An easier somewhat streamlined way to access proper decent bags ingame would be a start - up till the "Large" tier, and early pointers on how to get there. That would fix the issue of them being auctioned off natively. Who cares if they can be auctioned if the game gets you decent enough bags to get started and get invested in the game before you drown in items that you don't know what to do with? DDO should just solve the problem before it becomes a problem that makes it offputting for the new players. Once they're invested and want even more they can look back into DDO store for the bigger bags and pay money for them if they so choose.

Since it would be an overwhelming ordeal to go through all the obsolete and excessive drops/vendors/systems that the game gorges your bags with, a better and earlier access to proper bags is an easier suggestion to make for a solution.

The amount of items and lack of space is one of the biggest qualms in the game for new and old players alike. We are bombarded with drops, ingredients, augments, gems, shards - old players wanna hoard for the offchance they'll need it / play a build that utilizes it and new players don't know what is worth keeping and the early amount of bank/inventory/bag space is miniscule for the amount of items that drop. While getting treasures is fun, it is less fun if you're constantly playing the management game instead of enjoying the adventures.

While I like curiosities and players figuring out where to get what to an extent, the amount of arguably pointless bloat and difficulty of acquiring bags in DDO becomes actively harmful imo. Every time a player has to stop playing to play Marie Kondo is a point where they may re-consider if they want to play after all.

To me it seems that the game has grown far enough with all the different shards, tokens, augments, shards that it has far outlived the bags new players have easy access to, not that I ever was fond of it and when I was a new player I was constantly playing the bag space game. Thankfully I'm an avid wiki delver and had a friend to tell me to trash ~everything to get me through the early hurdles and lead me to some bags later on. Not everyone has those things going for them.

 

[Ying]

I find it hard to believe that going into the equipment database and flipping the 'auctionable' switch on 5 items would take more than a few minutes.

It's not just "a few minutes". Coding is the smallest part of the software development process. It's hours of discussion before implementation to decide on the scope of the change, what possible halo effects this has, QA and also deciding what's getting delayed/not done because this is taking up space in the dev sprint.

 

[rabidfox]

I strongly disagree with Lazuli, Rabidfox, and Ying on this one.

Huh? I never even posted on this thread.

 

[Ying]

Huh? I never even posted on this thread.

It's still your fault.

 

[rabidfox]

They've blocked items before like the expired keys from a holiday event; but I also remember after the patch to block them, some people were still able to list expired keys while others couldn't. So it's do-able but like anything in DDO, something could always go a bit sideways. heh

 

[Lazuli]

Anyway, why are there exclusive green bags at this point? It's something that should disappear.

And I agree with woq. What is needed is for this game to provide better storage, if the bags were easily available, who would care about putting them up for auction.