Character switching is definitely a killer. On each subsequent login, the toolbar icons populate more and more slowly each time. By the sixth or seventh character swap, the toolbar icons just stay blank (or show green empty weapon slot icons) until they finally populate whatever is supposed to be there. It's one of the reasons that I hate looking for a misplaced item, I can never get through all of my characters in one pass without having to relog.
SSG: Scrap Epic Destinies and Reaper trees to reduce lag by 90%
- Thread starter TavernBrawler
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5000+ hours played
The worst suggestion I've ever seen posted to this forum.
Monkey_Archer
Well-known member
Around 1-2ish years ago SSG made a series of changes aimed at fixing lag from the doublestrike change onward. Those changes did have a noticeable impact on lag. The last 6 months or so have seen the return of lag as bad or worse than before those changes.
Rather than remove random components of the game in hopes that it works, how about we find out what they changed to bring back the lag, and... i don't know... stop doing that instead....
Rather than remove random components of the game in hopes that it works, how about we find out what they changed to bring back the lag, and... i don't know... stop doing that instead....
Br4d
Well-known member
Seriously, this game is dying to bloat at this point.
Might it die quicker if system layers were not constantly added to the stack?
Sure.
But it's dying as it is now so I would make an attempt to revitalize via simplification and expansion of the player base.
Content is King. Make many new instances and alternate content types for players to play from level 1 to cap. That's how you keep new people once they've been around the park once and are definitely not on the Methuselah Train.
rabidfox
The People's Champion
We should get rid of heroic trees too as that'll have the greatest performance impact and will simplify the game greatly.
Br4d
Well-known member
It's much more complicated than that.
I have been playing through most of this lag stretch on Orien with little or no lag.
Why am I fortunate while others suffer? I have no idea but I suspect that the fact that I do not group has something to do with that.
Also, I do not use sentient weapons from 20 until cap and sometimes not at cap.
Also, I do not have cursed weapons and have actually not played any content that would produce curse cards.
Also, I do not use GS or LGS items and never have.
Basically I play a much simpler version of DDO than most of the vets.
A lot of the bloat in the game is just not present in my play of the game and so I do not lag much. At least that's what I tell myself.
rabidfox
The People's Champion
Darn, so my 1st lifer I'm on right now in heroics with zero curses is lagging because? Or my HC characters every season? Please do explain that.
Br4d
Well-known member
You have lag in HCL?
I maybe have lagged once the first season for a day or two and never since.
Ahpuch
Well-known member
Likely this is why your experience differs. All those other things that you don't use, I do and I also don't see much lag when soloing. My experience seems to be that coordinating data between multiple clients introduces a significant likelihood of lag. It is not unusual to have lag that goes away when one player with bad lag drops out of a group. As with all lag, this is not the only factor but it can be a significant issue.
John3000
Active member
G-Land was running smooth on my end.... Perhaps 300 is the sweet spot and 400 the upper limit ?
They should have performance benchmarks for that stuff and prevent over population.... Though I still don't know why they can't spawn private dungeon instances across multiple servers to distribute loads (old code or not - seems other old games have done that such as GW2)
Oh well, guess that mega server idea is not close to seeing the day...
Cheers
Ahpuch
Well-known member
As I mentioned, it is not the only reason. Do you find you experience as much lag when soloing as when in a 4 player party or in a Raid Group? That would be different than my experience as I do see occasional lag when soloing but nothing compared to being in a large group of players. But that is anecdotal and certainly not rigorous enough to be data or enough to tie it to a theory.
jotmon
Well-known member
seems like random BS to justify some sort of hate towards ED's and reaper.
Do you have any factual information to show this is the reason for lag.
Maybe its the inventory space killing cosmetics that are the source of the lag.
John3000
Active member
Not sure you can compare HC servers to the standard servers... I seem to remember a post on the old forums that mentioned they were different server specs (supposedly to serve as a megaserver experiment) + HC gets a full database / server clean at each new season.... so the comparison is unfair.
Cheers
Buddha5440
Well-known member
First off your original idea is just bad. What about multiclassing...which class do you get your "class specific" feats for? Also...it's always fun when people chime in with things like 'Everyone', 'Most', 'Tons of people', etc. If there were "tons of people" who have experienced this, there would likely be 50+ threads complaining about it.
rabidfox
The People's Champion
I find there's no constant to lag other than "playing DDO" (and a few select raids that have design issues IMO that cause them to lag out).
Phaaze
Well-known member
I have noticed that pets, hires and summons lag instances super fast but they are not the only source, just one that makes it much worse.
I have had suspicions that another chunk of it is pathing that gets exponentially worse the more players are in an instance.
There also seems to be more as we get closer to server restart so I think another chunk might be run away loops, etc. that build up over days.
I have had suspicions that another chunk of it is pathing that gets exponentially worse the more players are in an instance.
There also seems to be more as we get closer to server restart so I think another chunk might be run away loops, etc. that build up over days.
The 2-3 hour bout of game-breaking lag on Orien this weekend (and 2 weekends ago) was something altogether different from the normal lag we're used to. It wasn't the suttering, freezing, rubberbanding and action queueing backlog that we usually see when there's high load on the servers.
Instead, it seemed to be almost entirely related to things that would read/write from the database (i.e. banking, buying/selling from vendors, logging in/out, etc.)
For example, I went to my airship, hit the banker, gave up waiting on the bank windows to appear after literally more than a minute, teleported to the Feywild castle and stepped into Wake Me Up Inside and was 2+ minutes into the quest and fighting mobs when the bank windows suddenly popped up.
I quickly closed them as I was mid-combat and 15-30s later, they appeared again. That open/close cycle on the bank windows continued for the next few minutes before finally stopping.
Note that during that entire time, I was running the quest normally and with no other symptoms of lag. Zoning from my airship to the Fey castle and then into the quest was normal. Combat was working smoothly, movement was normal, etc. I was in the quest solo on R4 with no hires, pets, etc.
Instead, it seemed to be almost entirely related to things that would read/write from the database (i.e. banking, buying/selling from vendors, logging in/out, etc.)
For example, I went to my airship, hit the banker, gave up waiting on the bank windows to appear after literally more than a minute, teleported to the Feywild castle and stepped into Wake Me Up Inside and was 2+ minutes into the quest and fighting mobs when the bank windows suddenly popped up.
I quickly closed them as I was mid-combat and 15-30s later, they appeared again. That open/close cycle on the bank windows continued for the next few minutes before finally stopping.
Note that during that entire time, I was running the quest normally and with no other symptoms of lag. Zoning from my airship to the Fey castle and then into the quest was normal. Combat was working smoothly, movement was normal, etc. I was in the quest solo on R4 with no hires, pets, etc.