Build request

[EztliNagual]

Looking for a DH/DL build for the Ranger PL and haven't seen much talk of one.
Wanting to do something like DL5/DH15, TWF using DL CCs and Tempest, undecided on T5 enhancement.
How viable does that seem and would it be better to go HORC/Str or Dex based?
Any tips appreciated.

 

[unbongwah]

The only reason to go Dragon Lord 5 is for the tier-5s, which lock out tier-5 Tempest. IMO there's no point in going dual-wield ranger if you're not taking T5 Tempest because that's where the best stuff is.

Also if this is just a heroic PL, you don't need so many Dark Hunter levels and may be better off with 2H weapons, especially as a half-orc. E.g., Dark Hunter 12 / Dragon Lord 6 / barbarian 2 with T5 DL + level 12 DWS core for +2 crit multiplier +1 crit range. [14-20/x4 falchions, 14-20/x5 Sword of Shadow.] Barbarian splash is for Rage, +10% runspeed, Angry Arms (+20% Strikethrough), and Blood Tribute.

I just threw this together but this is what I was thinking:

Character name: HOrc DL DH (heroics only)
Classes: 12 Dark Hunter, 6 Dragon Lord, 2 Barbarian
Race: Half-Orc· · · · · · ·Alignment: Chaotic Neutral

· · ·Start Tome Final · · ·Incorp:· · ·0% · · ·Displacement:· ·50%
Str:· · 20· · 2 · ·31 · · ·HP:· · · · 971 · · ·AC:· · 10
Dex:· · ·8· · 2 · ·10 · · ·PRR: · · · · 0
Con:· · 16· · 2 · ·18 · · ·MRR: · · · ·15 · · ·+Healing Amp:· · 10
Int:· · ·6· · 2 · · 8 · · ·Dodge: · ·0/25 · · ·-Healing Amp:· · ·0
Wis:· · ·8· · 2 · ·10 · · ·Fort:· · · ·0% · · ·Repair Amp:· · · ·0
Cha:· · 14· · 2 · ·16 · · ·SR:· · · · · 0 · · ·BAB: · · · · · · 25
DR: 3%
Immunities:

Heroic Past Lives
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Past Life: Barbarian
Past Life: Paladin


Special Feats
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Falconry Tree
Inherent Universal Action Point(2)
Vistani Knife Fighter Tree


Class and Feat Selection
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Level Class · · · · · ·Feats
1 · · Dark Hunter(1)· ·Standard: Two Handed Fighting
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Favored Enemy: Favored enemy: Monstrous Humanoid
2 · · Barbarian(1)· · ·
3 · · Barbarian(2)· · ·Standard: Power Attack
4 · · Dark Hunter(2)· ·Strength: +1 Level up
5 · · Dragon Lord(1)· ·Minor Draconic Aura: Thraxata's Instinct
6 · · Dragon Lord(2)· ·Standard: Improved Two Handed Fighting
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Fighter Bonus: Stunning Blow
7 · · Dragon Lord(3)· ·
8 · · Dragon Lord(4)· ·Fighter Bonus: Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Strength: +1 Level up
9 · · Dark Hunter(3)· ·Standard: Improved Sunder
10· · Dragon Lord(5)· ·
11· · Dragon Lord(6)· ·Fighter Bonus: Greater Two Handed Fighting
12· · Dark Hunter(4)· ·Standard: Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Strength: +1 Level up
13· · Dark Hunter(5)· ·Favored Enemy: Favored enemy: Aberration
14· · Dark Hunter(6)· ·
15· · Dark Hunter(7)· ·Standard: Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
16· · Dark Hunter(8)· ·Strength: +1 Level up
17· · Dark Hunter(9)· ·
18· · Dark Hunter(10) ·Standard: Past Life: Soldier of the Faith
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Favored Enemy: Favored enemy: Human
19· · Dark Hunter(11) ·
20· · Dark Hunter(12) ·Strength: +1 Level up

Enhancements: 80 APs, Universal 2
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Dragon Lord - Points spent: 36
Core1 Draconic Soul: Soul of the Black Dragon
Tier1 Dragon's Protection I
Tier1 Battlefield Tactician I
Tier1 Martial Superiority: Dragon Lord: Martial Superiority: Improved Second Strikes - 3 Ranks
Tier2 Dragon's Protection II
Tier2 Battlefield Tactician II
Tier2 Action Boost: Action Boost: Haste - 3 Ranks
Tier2 Dragonslayer
Tier3 Battlefield Tactician III
Tier3 Dragon's Protection III
Tier3 Dragon's Roar
Tier3 Might or Outburst: Draconic Conviction - 3 Ranks
Tier3 Ability Score I: +1 Strength
Tier4 Dragon's Protection IV
Tier4 Battlefield Tactician IV
Tier4 Untouchable Soul
Tier4 Lead the Charge - 3 Ranks
Tier5 Soul Scales
Tier5 Tactical Commander
Tier5 Improved Dragon's Roar
Tier5 Flight of Kings
Tier5 Conqueror - 2 Ranks
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Deepwood Stalker - Points spent: 24
Core1 Far Shot
Tier1 Stealthy - 3 Ranks
Tier1 Tendon Cut - 2 Ranks
Tier1 Favored Defense - 3 Ranks
Core2 Sneak Attack
Tier2 Action Boost: Melee/Ranged Power Boost - 3 Ranks
Core3 Called Shot: Exposing Strike
Tier3 Thrill of the Hunt - 3 Ranks
Tier3 Favored Hunter - 3 Ranks
Core4 Advanced Sneak Attack
Tier4 Killer - 3 Ranks
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Frenzied Berserker - Points spent: 14
Core1 Die Hard
Tier1 Power Rage - 3 Ranks
Tier1 Athletics - 1 Ranks
Tier2 Blood Tribute - 3 Ranks
Tier2 Angry Arms - 3 Ranks
Tier2 Extra Action Boost - 3 Ranks
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Ravager - Points spent: 4
Core1 Furious Rage
Tier1 Barbarian Power Attack - 3 Ranks
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Vistani Knife Fighter - Points spent: 2
Core1 Knife Expertise
Tier1 Undead Hunter
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Falconry - Points spent: 2
Core1 Summon Falcon: Summon Falcon
Tier1 Hunter's Knowledge
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If you haven't got the +2 Universal AP tome, just drop Falconry. Use whatever racial APs you have as you see fit.

EDIT: at level one, I would take Bleed the Weak, then swap it out once you have DL's Imbue. Of the Draconic options, acid is the least resisted element.

 

[EztliNagual]

You're awesome, love your posts. Thanks for the help, this could be exactly what I need. And is very similar to the Pal PL I'm running now, Pal15/DL5 PL and it's definitely easy button. Round them up, Roar, and strikethrough/cleave them down.

Even without DL T5 though, I still think the T3 Roar CC and the T4 PermaDisplacement are pretty game breaking, especially for melees without other CC.

 

[Dalvias Stonecrusher]

Pure Dark Hunter, TWF, Dex based, Tempest capstone. Take Horizon Walker for the dex trance. Primary ED Divine Crusader for Mantle and Consecraction (Cower before me). Secondary ED Shadowdancer for meld and sneak damage. Rest in Dreadnaught. Weapons, Dino Scimitar and Flow. Take feats for Improved Crit slashing and piercing. The guardbreaking CC from Flow is worth the extra feat for using different weapon types. Your primary CC is consecration so beef up your sunder with a shatter augment and keep your trance up, to max the DC. Combine parry with meld for dodge boost for temp tanking. Also hood of unrest + meld for another temp dodge boost.

 

[Mindos]

The guardbreaking CC from Flow is worth the extra feat for using different weapon types.

I don't know what the issue is, but on my TWF ranger I could never get the guardbreaking to work, at least not in any helpful form. It was as if something else (a feat, gear, etc) on me just broke it immediately, and I mean right away. It's one of my very long term projects to figure out just what I had that ruins it.

 

[Dalvias Stonecrusher]

I don't know what the issue is, but on my TWF ranger I could never get the guardbreaking to work, at least not in any helpful form. It was as if something else (a feat, gear, etc) on me just broke it immediately, and I mean right away. It's one of my very long term projects to figure out just what I had that ruins it.

It only works when you crit. Improved crit range is 15-20. I’ve been using this build to run R10s and the guardbreaking procs often. I will typically hit haste boost (I have 9), jump into a mob, hit consecrate for 4s cower, rip through most of the stunned mob and then clean up any stragglers with some guardbreaking. I find backing away and swinging works well to keep your distance. Flow and Dino scimitar have fairly good reach and the guardbreaking will provide enough to give you time to finish cleaning up. Guardbreaking works on most of the reapers as well. Try to get as much double strike as possible. I have 100%, but also triple everything past lives. Even with less past live the build should be fairly effective up to mid skulls.