Except that it's not . . . *and I'm continually reminded of the lost skill unless I stick to my Paladin (who never tumbled cause she can't) but she's @ cap, so...
The nozzle type, I'm sure you do. Try some horizontal blade traps (HE, EE, or R, @ level, your choice,) in Lords of Dust (stairs) or The Tide Turns.. if yer not rogue, or sufficient rogue, yer screwed now. *2 tumbles is not enough.
OK,, but here you getting a bonus while tumbling through those traps before? I am unaware of bonus v. traps in original tumble. am I wrong?
IDK if I get bonus; seconds (1.0, specifically) go by v.quickly
I guess there is no way for them to make everyone happy. I see the changes as a buff. I use the extra dodge and ref bonuses all the time. Even with 2 charges I rarely find myself in a position where I truly need it and don't have it. Our playstyles clearly differ. I just can't understand why unlimited tumble with no buffs is better than uncapped dodge bonus and massive reflex save bonus. 1 sec may not sound like much, but it protects me from traps and prevents me getting hit by bosses and reapers.
Because it's part RP n part the way tumble has been since the start of this game. Why did it suddenly have to be reverted to charges?
Because they made it more powerful and engaging. The charges are there for balance. They have changed an enormous amount of the game since it began. I guess there are still a few things that have stayed the same since day one, but there can't be tha many. I'm sorry it isn't as fun for you anymore.
No. They changed it like no other skill by putting charges on it. *Engaging/EnRaging is v.arguable.
The exploit is @ EPIC. Prolly not intro'd by EXP Tumble but.. UGH! ***!? Can y'all at least get some experienced coders or whatever it takes to not break then nerf? It's a V.Bad Look and has happened arguable times.the way tumble is currently implemented makes it impossible to attempt tumbling through traps. as a single discreet action a gamer probably needs 10* tumbles to try tumbling through traps thus 2 tumbles will get you soulstoned
if you're in the middle of a trap after pressing the tumble button...it doesn't make much difference what bonuses you have, you will likely get soulstoned
I was asking him about traps becuase in an earlier post he made the claim that the new changes mad it so that you could no longer tumbe through traps. I disagree, I tumble through traps all the time. Of course it requires investment, but the bonuses are there and they do work. But more importantly to my point, what was the benefit to tumbling trough trpas before the implementation of Experimental tumble. No one has answered this question. All I get is "things have changed and I don't like that" or "1 sec is not enough" (I know I used quotes, but obvioulsy I'm paraphrasing)
As a rogue I disable traps, so tumble isn;t so important. However having tested tumble I know my rogue will get soulstoned trying to pass through the frst trap in "jungle of khyber" because that requires multiple tumble key presses unless you are very precise
Again, this does not answer my question. (see gif above) What have we LOST. what mechanical advantage did tumble give a player, at all but specifically with traps, that has gone away? dur claimed that we could NO LONGER tumble through traps. I cannot find any indication that tumble USED to give a mechanical advantage against taps. If you want to argue the bonus we NOW get is not enough, I disagree, but fine. But please stop trying to prove the current bonus isn't enough. If tumble never provide a mechanical advantage against traps, then (when it comes to traps) tumble was not nerfed. Even if you don't find the changes useful.
there is no indication the traps have changed and I expect none since that would require substantial investment. And I'm surprised you would even raise this question: why would the very small dev team at SSG consider impact-analysis of any changes they make? That is a huge undertaking.
Ok,.so we have not lost a mechanical advantage against traps as dur said. They gave us a buff that some people do not see as useful and then added a charge system to balance that buff. But since some people do not see the buff as valuable, the charges are unwelcome. Is that accurate?
cloak of night > invisibility > pulling mobs .
I'm not familiar with this, so I don't understand the shorthand here. How is tumble involved. (Not trying to be snarky, I'm genuinely ignorant)
the way experiment control is implemented compared to normal behavior , is only allowing to tumble while already moving.
look at cloak of night in the Pale Master tree : https://ddowiki.com/page/Cloak_of_Night
