They are supposed to be antirequisites that was fixed in update 67. Now if that happened I don't know.
Reaper Endgame Centered Dragon Lord
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They are supposed to be antirequisites that was fixed in update 67. Now if that happened I don't know.
warlock player
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wait why WF slashing and now bludgeoning???????
And also I mean for r10's you want helpless / cc / AoE attack for trash mobs so yea single target dps like this would fall behind a THF builds and such (alchemists *puke*) in kill count naturally, but this looks a solid build!!
I might try this actually, after I'm done with current grind... (dark hunter iconic)
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MagicalDad
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Pardon my ignorance - how do you stay centered w/ longswords, I don't see WSS on the feat list. Is it because Sovereign Host makes it a favored weapon?
PraetorPlato
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top-end shifters are scraping close to 140 at full boost
OP gets it from A Flower's Bloom, tier 2 in Grandmaster of Flowers
Mickeymouse
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-- he will need that. either from feat or GMOF
Terranigma
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From what I can see there are two alterations this build may benefit from:
- The augments show a Sapphire of Good Luck +3 being slotted, but this build has Prayer and will eventually be able to use it at caster level 20, resulting in a +5 Luck Bonus to damage/skills/saves. Is there a better augment that could be slotted?
- Would the weapon choice of a Vistani centered Kukri serve this build better than Longsword? The base damage of the Kukri is lower, but the critical profile (14-20/x4 vs 16-20/x5) should favor the Kukri.
- Base damage of a Dino Kukri is about -13.5 dmg (6.45[1d8+3] vs 6.45[1d4+3])
- But Vistani Deadly Blades adds back +5.5 dmg (+1[W]) and you have 3 extra feats because you won't need Knight's Training or the Favored Weapon Feats
- The loss of the Favored Weapon damage is -4 dmg (Child of Faith, Sacred Strike I & II) is gained back as +4 dmg in the Vistani Enhancements (Vistani Core I, Vistani Knife Training I & II)
- One of those 3 available feats can be repurposed to getting Improved Martial Arts at level 21 for +2.75 dmg (+0.5[W])
- After adding in the STR bonus, +15 weapon enhancement, and the plethora of other damage bonuses (Deadly, Deception, Power Attack, etc) that should have a main-hand base physical damage of around 187 on the Kukri and 192 for the Longsword. This puts the Kukri about 2.5% base physical damage behind the Longsword.
- However, this build seems to have a high fortification bypass and should be able to use the Kukri's +135% critical damage profile (14-20/x4; 19-20/x7) to surpass the Longsword's +130% critical damage profile (16-20/x5; 19-20/x8), balancing out the loss in base physical damage.
- Lastly, factor in Sacred Fist's unique ability to have an imbue that scales with amount of critical hits, thanks to Sacred Fist Empowerment. A wider 14-20 critical range should have a notable improvement of your imbue damage over 16-20.
You are right that you can drop the augment but there really isn't much else to put in that spot instead.
For Kukri vs Longsword its mostly from my first version of this build being paladin and the kotc. I agree Kukri is probably better it just loses a couple things and gains a lot (Rapid Attack being top among them). Kukris will work out pretty well for the GMoF tier 5 version of this build. Though currently I am testing Divine Crusader tier 5 over GMoF tier 5 and for divine crusader it needs a favored weapon.
I did not know that you could get Improved Martial Arts from 12 levels of sacred fist. That is a good suggestion.
Mickeymouse
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it only gives you 0.2 W for some odd reason.. I would be more worried about not picking up Extend (for both divine favour and SF empowerment, 19-42s).
Phern
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I'm curious what levelling order people would suggest? I was thinking monk>fighter>pally to get as many feats early as possible, but it's been a while since I've levelled a pally. (Like a decade).
Oliphant
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Tryin this out but taking the hit to the optimization, going Tabaxi Trailblazer. Toon has all the Epic PLs and still needs a Sacred Fist PL so time efficient to start out Iconic. Trailblazer still works, has some DPS goodies still, and that Tabaxi Feline Agility mechanic is really fast and fun and fits kitty lore, not too shabby. Did the TR yesterday and got to 20. Will see how it goes and report back.
Of course, I went with a Lion look. Have to be a Lion if you a cat and gonna roar. Tony the Tiger might have an objection to that though
Of course, I went with a Lion look. Have to be a Lion if you a cat and gonna roar. Tony the Tiger might have an objection to that though
Dalvias Stonecrusher
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Nice. Looks fun. I’m currently running a half orc DL20. Was able to get 392 MP, with prowess swap, and 101% standing DS in reaper mode. Using a Dino Falchion and Adrenaline. It’s a little squishy, but CC and DPS makes short work of R10 mobs.
Oliphant
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Noticed yesterday the Dino Bone Longswords have IOD set bonus in the write up which means Attuned Dino Bone Longswords. From another build I'm actually using just regular Dino Bone Longswords. I have about 2500 IOD runes, but I might just TR. I managed to get two Shiny Reliquary Kukri from Vecna yesterday. I wonder if I should repurpose this to a Kukri version somehow. Would have to get IOD or FK sets from other slots and use weapons for Augment sets probably.
Trying out the build right now, it's super fun so far! Still quite far from being fully geared.
Can you explain why you went Icescale on the dino longswords? Is it for the cold iron?
Does the +14 int bring anything apart from +7 light spell power for the imbue?
Have you made any changes since you initially posted?
Can you explain why you went Icescale on the dino longswords? Is it for the cold iron?
Does the +14 int bring anything apart from +7 light spell power for the imbue?
Have you made any changes since you initially posted?
I have done several variations of this build over the last couple months and it has been really impressive.
The positive changes for this build has been moving the main destiny to Divine Crusader giving a lot more imbue like damage and also crusade for when the burst is needed. Divine Crusader also allows changing up the feats.
Here are the updated Epic Destinies and Enhancements
Here's the updated feats and leveling order
There's been a couple variations that I have been trying.
Half orc instead of Aasimar is good and has slightly higher trash dps while slightly lower single target dps. It also has another good button in the auto crit.
Legendary Dreadnought over Divine Crusader. They are both pretty close LD just has better burst while DC is better for the party especially as the first person in DC for the crusade buff.
Kukris over Longswords and Shadar kai over Aasimar. This is still one I am experimenting with but shows a lot of promise. This build will be fantastic at dealing with trash with a little lower single target dps. It also needs to run LD over DC since kukris cant be favored weapons without outrageous luck.
The build has been fantastic and is feeling great. I highly recommend it.
Icescale is for cold iron when going tier 5 GMoF. If you are not going tier 5 GMoF then I would suggest going sparkscale for the silver bypass.
The 14 Int doesn't really do much its mostly just leftover from from a previous build and 14 wis is also kinda meh so it can be left off.
The positive changes for this build has been moving the main destiny to Divine Crusader giving a lot more imbue like damage and also crusade for when the burst is needed. Divine Crusader also allows changing up the feats.
Here are the updated Epic Destinies and Enhancements
Here's the updated feats and leveling order
| Feats | |
| 1 | Power Attack |
| 3 | TWF |
| 6 | WF Slashing |
| 7 | ITWF |
| 8 | Whirling Steel Strike |
| 9 | Improved Crit Slashing |
| 10 | Knight's Training |
| 12 | GTWF |
| 15 | Adept Forms |
| 18 | Master Forms |
| 21 | Overwhelming Crit |
| 22 | PTWF |
| 24 | WS Slashing |
| 25 | Crush Weakness |
| 27 | TWF Defense |
| 28 | Embodiment of Law |
| 30 | Power Critical |
| 30 | Scion of Arborea |
| 31 | Doublestrike |
| Sacred Fist | 1-5 |
| Dragon Lord | 6-7 |
| Monk | 8 |
| Dragon Lord | 9-11 |
| Sacred Fist | 12-20 |
There's been a couple variations that I have been trying.
Half orc instead of Aasimar is good and has slightly higher trash dps while slightly lower single target dps. It also has another good button in the auto crit.
Legendary Dreadnought over Divine Crusader. They are both pretty close LD just has better burst while DC is better for the party especially as the first person in DC for the crusade buff.
Kukris over Longswords and Shadar kai over Aasimar. This is still one I am experimenting with but shows a lot of promise. This build will be fantastic at dealing with trash with a little lower single target dps. It also needs to run LD over DC since kukris cant be favored weapons without outrageous luck.
The build has been fantastic and is feeling great. I highly recommend it.
Icescale is for cold iron when going tier 5 GMoF. If you are not going tier 5 GMoF then I would suggest going sparkscale for the silver bypass.
The 14 Int doesn't really do much its mostly just leftover from from a previous build and 14 wis is also kinda meh so it can be left off.
KoTC has the light imbue in core 1. You lose movement bonus, deflect arrows and some ki generation but it could open up some options in other trees for less squishiness, like sacred defender. But you also gain long swords as favored weapons in KoTC tier 2 and Knight Training for free in t4.
Terranigma
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Going Paladin Knight of the Chalice over Sacred Fist does have a sizable loss of damage, primarily from not having the Sacred Fist Empowerment spell. Going from Sacred Fist to Paladin is a loss of 5 Imbue Dice (2 from the Enhancement Tree, 3 from Sacred Fist Empowerment) and the loss of the Bane Damage that Sacred Fist Empowerment gives on-crit. At the screenshotted 399 Melee Power and 16 Imbue Dice that'd be about:
- ~157 less Light-based Average Damage per hit from 5 less Imbue Dice
- 5 Imbue Dice * 3.5 average damage * (399 Melee Power / 100 * 2 + 1)
- ~210 less Bane-based Average Damage per hit from no on-crit Imbue Sacred Fist Empowerment Damage
- 16 Imbue Dice * 10.5 average damage * 25% crit chance * (399 Melee Power / 100 + 1)
I see. fair enough. I honestly did not factor in the exclusive spell from SF pally.