Mary's Damage Lord Build

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FVSHasBeenEvenMoreGutted

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i see many problems with this build, as it is called a "damage lord"
  • first off, drow is a terrible race no matter what. any other cha race would be better if u just want cha (and aasimar, SDK, razorclaw, and horc would do way more damage with some racial points)
  • I am confused about this build. is this an endgame build or is this a hardcore leveling build? seems fine for hardcore, but cap seems not so good
  • you take the tactics feats, but no improved sunder? improved sunder is very good
  • you call it a "dps" build and take t5 shadowdancer. t5 shadowdancer is terrible (mantle is alright for surviving low reaper)
  • you take 1 rank of voice of fury, which is useless without 3rd rank for the heal
  • you take sap. why not take improved trip instead? better for heriocs by far
  • t5 dread is 10x better than SD, and I don't even see dread at all which is confusing as its the tactics/action boost tree
  • scion of astral plane? you arent centered, are you? if you are, why? you arent any monk or grandmaster of flowers
  • you take elusive target. why? its a tank feat, not a dps feat. legendary toughness is probably better as it reduces all damage by giving extra hp
  • you take stalwart defender instead of vkf on a dps because ?????????? VKF is an amazing tree for dps. stalwart is a "pull aggro off tank and kill whole party" tree
  • you take greater color spray. on a melee. that is a fighter. that is a serious problem
  • small nit pick, but weapon focus/speacialization are not needed on dragonlord. improved trip, improved sunder (and their pre reqs), or precision
  • this is a dps build that isn't raging without precision? good luck hitting mobs at cap
  • shortswords are not good at cap. i get the build is for easy weapons (and shadowblades), but daggers or kukris with VKF will be a million times better for "dps"
I probably missed something, but hopefully you can shed some light on my confusions
 
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Scrag

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Elminster said:
Interesting. But don't all fighters including DL get Second Wind automatically? or am I misreading how they get sec wind...?

Also, your moves on Epic Destinies? Going all in Leg Dreadnought and sentinel?
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This is the third time I have played, and the first time I some how missed it in my feat list.

Never mind, I am happy with sustain!

38 in dreadnought, 23 in crusader, 4 in gmof. Crusader saves me a feat and gets me improved sunder, gmof gets me 6 stun.

I am loathe to take improved sunder as a feat, as I get some nifty things from the cap in crusader. Goal is crowd control + tankiness. If I went all in on sentinel, I would have to pick up improved sunder. Unsure if I want to swing that.
 
glass_jaws

glass_jaws

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Scrag said:
I am. Took improved shield mastery, taking perfect and specialty shield mastery, tactics, heavy armor mastery, and thf -> greater + perfect. Right now I am super tanky.

Downside? I don't have that awesome self heal that fighters get. I need a healbot or something. I am sturdy enough to be completely overwhelmed by enemies and fight my way through with pathetic damage. I have high confidence in this long term.

I am heavy in stalwart and 41 in dlord, with a smattering in pdk.
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Did you multiclass or something? Dragonlords get second wind just like fighters, so not sure what you would be missing?
 
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Scrag

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glass_jaws said:
Did you multiclass or something? Dragonlords get second wind just like fighters, so not sure what you would be missing?
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Yeah I just didnt see it in the feat list. I looked a few times, and just didn't see it. :/

Pure 20 dlord.
 
Elminster

Elminster

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From a cursory glance of the tree. I honestly think just sticking with 20 DL is best overall balance between survivability and damage.

Whoever made this class was hellbent on designing a perfect melee archetype woth solid DPS, solid heals/survivability, and boatloads of tactics and even solid group buffs.

It's such a complete class that I loathe going multi-class on it. It's just soooooo good from the get-go.

Discalimer: It's almost certainly going to get nerfed. I have no ifea why SSG has this policy of giving somehing nice and taking it away later, it's such a bad way to manage player interest vs. game balance. But I guess it is what it is.
 
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Refutor

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Mary said:
Fury of the Wild 22 (Quick Cuts is our epic strike that allows us on a SWF to do a whirlwind 360 attack /6 seconds)
Core1 Die Hard
Tier1 Strength or Swiftness: Quick Cutter - 3 Ranks
Tier1 Savage Take Down - 3 Ranks
Core2 Die Harder
Tier2 Primal Scream
Core3 Die Harderest
Tier3 Embrace the Pain - 3 Ranks
Tier3 Fury Selector: Spirit of the Beast - 3 Ranks
Tier3 Wild Weapons: Doublestrike - 3 Ranks
Tier4 The Voice of Fury
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if you are that far in fury, why not take unquenchable rage?
 
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