PDK + Dragon Lord, most ideal?

[Owlbear]

Huh, interesting. I wonder why that is? STR and CHA aren't too dofficult to come by in endgame I think.

Because if you go full STR you save a lot of stat and skill points to put in other things. It's just a better way to maximize your stats and hitting your DC more often and more reliable.

Personally I have a CHA based Dragon Lord because it's more fun to me. And the toon doesn't run endgame stuff anyway.

 

[Mordenkainen]

Because if you go full STR you save a lot of stat and skill points to put in other things. It's just a better way to maximize your stats and hitting your DC more often and more reliable.

Personally I have a CHA based Dragon Lord because it's more fun to me. And the toon doesn't run endgame stuff anyway.

Do you go the feydark colour spray route by chance? it looks pretty nifty

 

[rabidfox]

Do you go the feydark colour spray route by chance? it looks pretty nifty

That makes you a caster (as per your prior definitions) and not a melee...

 

[Owlbear]

Do you go the feydark colour spray route by chance? it looks pretty nifty

Yes, Greater Color Spray and doing TWF and Whirlwind Attack. Pretty fun for leveling Heroics.

 

[Mordenkainen]

That makes you a caster (as per your prior definitions) and not a melee...

 

[Mordenkainen]

I do think CHA Dragonlord Tanks are better than STR based tanks. That much I think we can agree upon

 

[Sarlona Raiding]

I do think CHA Dragonlord Tanks are better than STR based tanks. That much I think we can agree upon

I usually max out con and go cha sencondary, but maybe that is considered a flavor build for a tank now - who knows.

 

[Hobgoblin]

your missing the part where you have to spend a heart to do this.

 

[Mordenkainen]

your missing the part where you have to spend a heart to do this.

It's a +1 heart, it's like 200 DDO points or whatever.

 

[Hobgoblin]

It's a +1 heart, it's like 200 DDO points or whatever.

you mean 1395?

 

[Mordenkainen]

you mean 1395?

seriously?

 

[Hobgoblin]

seriously?

sorry actually wrong its 1195

 

[Hobgoblin]

It's a +1 heart, it's like 200 DDO points or whatever.

thats funny its like you open your mouth and talk about things you have no knoweldge about.....

 

[Jack Jarvis Esquire]

It's a +1 heart, it's like 200 DDO points or whatever.

Good grief.

 

[Owlbear]

Or get the +20 from the new VIP Loyalty program. Takes only 8 months

 

[Mordenkainen]

dude that's insane for these hearts. Like what possibly could be the reason to get these things apart from some one off like iconic.

 

[Bjond]

I really hate it that this game's combat system essentially revolves around crit profile and nothing else... it sucks.

That's great, because it doesn't. It's more of a kitchen-sink thing -- you have to consider power, double, and ALL the other factors; eg. a VKF build with 16x3 profile ends up similar DPS to a Haxen Bard with 15x5 profile due to the extra double and power in VKF.

The hard part isn't even balancing all of that to get a good melee, it's balancing sustained versus burst versus AE versus CC and that's almost entirely due to lack of persistent logs that can be parsed.

Kind of irrelevant, but if you want to try iconic with Dragonlord, try Shadarkai light pick, which has 4 crit multipliers +2 from Dragonlord.

Adrenaline is consumed by the 1st thing it touches (it's a one hit wonder). You'll want a Haxen Bard style build with Dragonlord instead of Frenzied Berserker if you want to go for a crit-monster. It ends up with 15x5 profile. I'm running one now on an SDK. It's fun (especially the chains), but IMHO a 15x4 TWF with VKF will out-perform it.

BTW, the reason to go STR is for the tactical feats. Sunder, Trip, & Stunning DCs are STR based. CHA primary costs double zStacks on CHA & STR and trading STR/2 DC scaling for CHA/6 is a bad trade. It's not going to be horrifically bad because you'll still get Low.STR/2 to the DC -- probably closer to a zero-sum in the end -- but now you'll be pudgy.

 

[unbongwah]

It's a +1 heart, it's like 200 DDO points or whatever.

 

[Mordenkainen]

That's great, because it doesn't. It's more of a kitchen-sink thing -- you have to consider power, double, and ALL the other factors; eg. a VKF build with 16x3 profile ends up similar DPS to a Haxen Bard with 15x5 profile due to the extra double and power in VKF.

The hard part isn't even balancing all of that to get a good melee, it's balancing sustained versus burst versus AE versus CC and that's almost entirely due to lack of persistent logs that can be parsed.



Adrenaline is consumed by the 1st thing it touches (it's a one hit wonder). You'll want a Haxen Bard style build with Dragonlord instead of Frenzied Berserker if you want to go for a crit-monster. It ends up with 15x5 profile. I'm running one now on an SDK. It's fun (especially the chains), but IMHO a 15x4 TWF with VKF will out-perform it.

BTW, the reason to go STR is for the tactical feats. Sunder, Trip, & Stunning DCs are STR based. CHA primary costs double zStacks on CHA & STR and trading STR/2 DC scaling for CHA/6 is a bad trade. It's not going to be horrifically bad because you'll still get Low.STR/2 to the DC -- probably closer to a zero-sum in the end -- but now you'll be pudgy.

Wait, I don't understand where are you getting CHA/6 ? Like I still don't see where all these calcs are coming from...

So I go CHA PDK, that's like 80 Strength moderately geared at endgame. I sit at 90 CHA.

vs.

STR Halforc which is like 100 strength and like 70 CHA at endgame.

Sure I'm down -10 DC on tacticals but then I gain like another +18 DC from PDK. At worst, it's a wash. Not sure what everyone else is seeing.



Although, OMG they are so ugly...

 

[DBZ]

I read half orcs are up to 140 str thats alot of dc points