Some nice and some not so nice.

[Dman1970]

I've noticed on a few forums about DDO there seems to be a few people that don't really help. It doesn't happen here as often as say reddit, but it happens a bit. On reddit and other forums it's bad. They just say this is the best and everyone else sucks, and these people also have like 10+ past lives and 50+ reaper points and whatever else things that most of the people asking questions DON'T have. Why trash people who are trying to either learn about the game, get better, and have fun, or those who are trying to help? Why? That elitist attitude sucks and helps no one. Is it just a pitiful attempt at a flex? I just don't get it. Though, with the way things are with the internet and the state of a lot of games post the WoW era, it's not surprising. Sad, but not surprising.
Also, there seems to be a lot of builds that have reaper points or past lives added. I came back from a decade absence, and when I left, there wasn't any reaper points and I hadn't gotten a toon high enough and had done enough for me to be able to or WANT to TR at the time. Now with level 32 and new stuff I have done, I am not sure when my highest will get a TR, much less any other toon. It doesn't help that my wife (who I am SOOOO thankful she love to game and plays games with me!) has ADHD and loves to toon hop and we have about 18 toons each, which makes spending a lot of time on one toon hard, but she can't help it. So why not as much love for those like me or those who just stated and have no past lives? I am not say NO ONE does 1 life builds, but they are few a far between, unless I am just having crap luck at finding them.

 

[mbartol]

Check out Strimtom’s Hardcore builds, which are designed for first-life, 28-point characters. I think he also has a new player build series.

Additionally, Unbongwah has primarily focused on first life builds, though he hasn’t been as active lately. He’ll still chime in with excellent advice and sometimes posts specific builds when people ask how to build-out their ideas. Look both here & on the DDO Reddit.

 

[Elifre]

I've noticed on a few forums about DDO there seems to be a few people that don't really help. It doesn't happen here as often as say reddit, but it happens a bit. On reddit and other forums it's bad. They just say this is the best and everyone else sucks, and these people also have like 10+ past lives and 50+ reaper points and whatever else things that most of the people asking questions DON'T have. Why trash people who are trying to either learn about the game, get better, and have fun, or those who are trying to help? Why? That elitist attitude sucks and helps no one. Is it just a pitiful attempt at a flex? I just don't get it. Though, with the way things are with the internet and the state of a lot of games post the WoW era, it's not surprising. Sad, but not surprising.
Also, there seems to be a lot of builds that have reaper points or past lives added. I came back from a decade absence, and when I left, there wasn't any reaper points and I hadn't gotten a toon high enough and had done enough for me to be able to or WANT to TR at the time. Now with level 32 and new stuff I have done, I am not sure when my highest will get a TR, much less any other toon. It doesn't help that my wife (who I am SOOOO thankful she love to game and plays games with me!) has ADHD and loves to toon hop and we have about 18 toons each, which makes spending a lot of time on one toon hard, but she can't help it. So why not as much love for those like me or those who just stated and have no past lives? I am not say NO ONE does 1 life builds, but they are few a far between, unless I am just having crap luck at finding them.

There's definitely more negativity than I would like, yes. There are also a lot of helpful people, which I appreciate.

As far as builds go, every build I post is designed for 32-point builds, no TR's or Reaper points, and at most a +2 tome which is available for F2P at 1750 favor. If you'd like me to make something specific, please ask. I love making crazy builds viable.

 

[Xgya]

I'll second that Strimtom recommendation.
While he also posts various things you can do to improve the build, the barebones skeletons are always first-life-friendly, and genuinely viable builds.

 

[Bjond]

IMHO, the big reason people don't post builds that are 1st-life ready is because they're sharing their own builds and by the time you're ready to do that, you're likely well past 1st life. They're not expecting you to copy their builds, but they are hoping it gives you ideas for making your own that is right for you.

Using Strimtom as an example, I disagree with every single build he has. BUT, those disagreements are pretty much only matters of personal taste; ie. I'd hack them up a lot to make them work for me, but it's pointless to disparage his efforts just because the builds don't work out of the box for me.

My favorite builder would be Tilo .. not because the builds are so good, but because they're so crazy. Much higher chance of an idea I've never thought of in one of his. Ubongwah is great for very solid classic builds. VooduSpyce has posted entire threads walking through a build/character from day one to year 12 -- amazing stuff for newbies.

If you want ultra high-end builds, check the vault. The banter is nastier than unwashed middle-schoolers and they do speak in build-shorthand, but there are some really incredible builds posted and discussed there. Rubbins is often very interesting and doesn't seem to have acquired fleas while hanging out there.

 

[Sophie The Cat Burglar]

Planet Earth attracts a lot of sucky souls. Most of us get used to it.

Enjoying playing many characters does not mean you have a behavioral problem. It means you enjoy playing a lot of characters.

The old forums contained a very large number of character builds, over half designed for first go round characters. The new forums swept all that information away.

People post about things that interest them. If a guy likes running in Reaper Mode, he writes about Reaper Mode.

Many people are extremely myopic. If a guy does something a certain way, he will often assume everyone does that something that certain way. He will write as if everyone is doing the something that certain way. He is wrong.

Some of the people who frequent these forums are very helpful and knowledgeable. If you ask nicely and frame your questions well, you will receive a vast bounty of useful information. You may also get some sucky replies. See the first sentence in this post.

 

[Notadrizztvariant]

I've noticed on a few forums about DDO there seems to be a few people that don't really help. It doesn't happen here as often as say reddit, but it happens a bit. On reddit and other forums it's bad. They just say this is the best and everyone else sucks, and these people also have like 10+ past lives and 50+ reaper points and whatever else things that most of the people asking questions DON'T have. Why trash people who are trying to either learn about the game, get better, and have fun, or those who are trying to help? Why? That elitist attitude sucks and helps no one. Is it just a pitiful attempt at a flex? I just don't get it. Though, with the way things are with the internet and the state of a lot of games post the WoW era, it's not surprising. Sad, but not surprising.
Also, there seems to be a lot of builds that have reaper points or past lives added. I came back from a decade absence, and when I left, there wasn't any reaper points and I hadn't gotten a toon high enough and had done enough for me to be able to or WANT to TR at the time. Now with level 32 and new stuff I have done, I am not sure when my highest will get a TR, much less any other toon. It doesn't help that my wife (who I am SOOOO thankful she love to game and plays games with me!) has ADHD and loves to toon hop and we have about 18 toons each, which makes spending a lot of time on one toon hard, but she can't help it. So why not as much love for those like me or those who just stated and have no past lives? I am not say NO ONE does 1 life builds, but they are few a far between, unless I am just having crap luck at finding them.

I have not seen a single negative thread in ddoreddit in months, care to link us some examples? And there are no other "ddo forums", unless you mean that special place the nature of which certainly could not have eluded you.

"They just say this is the best and everyone else sucks" - I doubt they phrase it that way. My guess is you came up with some build idea and were told it is not a good idea. That is good advice. Do you want people to lie so you can feel happy about your build ideas or would you rather have good advice on a build?

"So why not as much love for those like me or those who just stated and have no past lives?" - Because people do not owe you anything? People post the builds they find interesting and intrigueing, come up with your own builds if they are not to your liking. People on the internet are not monkeys to dance to your tune.

 

[Bjond]

come up with your own builds if they are not to your liking. People on the internet are not monkeys to dance to your tune.

One thing that I think would greatly enhance all of DDO and particularly newbie DDO is an integrated and shared "builds" repository; ie. permit builders to post and share builds both IN and OUT of game and then use them like a PATH in game. The single most unique aspect to DDO is incredible build variety. That SSG has not leveraged that part of the game to improve the entire experience is a crying shame.

Newbie doesn't know what to play? One click should show suggested builds, ratings, and comments. Another to select. Another to edit. Another to just use it as the current path. Voila, you've hit the ground running and SSG didn't need to continually update path builds to keep them current. The community did that themselves because the infrastructure was in place for it.

Bare minimum work by SSG required: publish a path format and permit players to import custom paths. Sit back and pray one of the builder authors (eg. Maetrim) picks it up and supports path output.

So, yeah, not monkeys, but with some work by SSG they could be!

 

[Blunt Hackett]

One thing that I think would greatly enhance all of DDO and particularly newbie DDO is an integrated and shared "builds" repository; ie. permit builders to post and share builds both IN and OUT of game and then use them like a PATH in game.

I played Marvel Heroes before its demise. Somebody made a website that was basically just for this. People could upvote or downvote builds so it was easy to see which were viable.

This game is a bit unforgiving if your build doesn't go right. I'm doing a druid life right now. I know wolf druid well, but I decided to see what all the hype over ice druid was. I'm at level 13, and I must say I'm unimpressed. It's clear it isn't great in heroics, data I wish I had before now. I'm still able to play fine, it just isn't fun to play. I'm sure ice flowers will be nice once I finally have it, but I doubt it will be sp friendly.

Point being, it would be great if there was a way to see if the masses agree if a build is worth its mettle. Sometimes builds seem fine on paper, and maybe they're good for the person who came up with it. But sometimes it isn't always obvious why and when they're good.

 

[Onyxia2016]

Yes, there is a lot of elitist jerks. They get board or for some reason think the more they talk down to people the better it makes them.
Just look past them and ignore there comments. One could easily feel sorry of them needing to go through life that way.

There is nothing wrong to having a bunch of different characters. If you and your wife are having fun playing the game, that's what counts.

Strimtom's hardcore build are great. Since they are built for survivability you can adjust them a bit for normal server use to get higher DPS but they can do just fine as written.

 

[Seppi Pearlsmith]

I think it is safe to apply the 80-20 rule, 20% of the elitists are good players, 80% are just wannabes carried through past lives and reaper and now they compensate for the lack of skill they are subconsciously aware of by belittleing new or casual players. Don't worry about their opinions, just ignore them.
Those skilled players I met, who can teach You things were always helpful and patient.

I love my collection of different characters, this makes the game much better, I play whatever I want, nuker, thrower, melee etc. DDO is still fun without the completely pointless "look at my achivements" mini-game. Just play what You want and enjoy the game YOUR way.

 

[Wender]

I miss the days when one had to patiently wait for the healer and/or rogue to join in order to start questing, and self-sufficiency and zerging was not automatically assumed in every PuG.

 

[vryxnr]

Unfortunately jerks exist. The fact that they exist does't excuse the behavior though, so I'm with you in the despair at seeing them put others down.

I've also seen it happen on multiple occasions where the jerk behavior has driven people away. I've seen it cause new players to stop playing because the game isn't worth the harassment (new players that aren't driven away by elitist jerks can and do eventually become end game raiders of quality, but that'll never happen if they stop playing because of harassment). I've also seen plenty of vets (myself included) stop playing with and outright avoiding specific elitist jerks and specific guilds because of said behavior.

Which makes it even more ironic when those same people complain about low populations of servers and not being able to fill their groups. That elitist jerkish behavior is one of (not the only, but one of) the causes for lower pops and others who are around not wanting to group with you.

edit: no comments on the first life builds though. sorry.

 

[Nebless]

And there are no other "ddo forums",

There's the DDO Steam forum and many of the people on there don't even know these official one's exist since all they've ever played was steam 'versions' of games.

And you find a lot more trolls over there either because they were banned from here or just because moderating there is so much looser.

 

[Dude]

I am not say NO ONE does 1 life builds, but they are few a far between, unless I am just having crap luck at finding them.

On the old forums there was a "Ask for a build, get a build" and several extensive repositories with hundreds of builds. When I started a little over two years ago, I researched the repositories to get a general idea of what I wanted and then asked for an updated version. It turned out I hated what I thought I wanted and then completely changed focus, but used the same forum post to get that advice. Here I am two years later and really enjoying it.

All that to say, the build you're looking for may not exist, but if you ask, then someone is likely to post a build for you.

 

[Wizard]

I miss the days when one had to patiently wait for the healer and/or rogue to join in order to start questing, and self-sufficiency and zerging was not automatically assumed in every PuG.

Yeah because it is SO FUN standing around waiting. /s There isn't much to do in DDO waiting for healer/rogue. (not even an open world with solo quests that can be interrupted at any time while waiting)

I was there for a while in ~2006 when you still needed roles in your party. I quit because I was fed up with waiting, no soloing and only being able to play during prime-time (almost no parties outside of that)

The game has NOWHERE enough population for role dependent parties. Even high population games have long queues waiting for the lesser played roles (usually tank and sometimes healer there).

 

[Col Kurtz]

the Jerk was one my fav movies...but at least he was no elitist

D&D >back when we rolled dice was always about doing it your way...there is no set 'build' like DDO.

Thats where ddo fails.. should not need to reference a 'build' to have a decent character.

And, not everyone wants to TR, or farm the same dungeon 36 times to get an item. My pen n paper pals have no interest in TRing... and won't ever reference a build. Most are to busy to consider TRing; a few just don't like the idea of repeating the same dungeons over and over.

What I learned from my pals is>DDO does not have to be played like an elitist to enjoy it.

But, if a player wants to step it up and do reaper and raids...they are kind of stuck referencing some of the fine points.

Overall, I have had a very nice experience from asking the forums after abandoning them years ago. There's a few snyde comments ...gotta expect it on the internet. Just don't let them troll ya into THEIR arguments

 

[DBZ]

Can't go wrong with a Goo warlock lowest ceiling but the floor is on the roof so

 

[_fully_carroted_]

[...] we have about 18 toons each, which makes spending a lot of time on one toon hard
[...]1 life builds [...]

These are two things that aren't well-represented by most players who spend time in the forum, as far as I can see.

As for 18 first-life characters, the game is balanced around making one character and TRing it regularly. That's how you get more character power - combining past lives, reaper points, raid gear and tomes.

As for 1-life builds, there's a lot more of that because we've had 8 hardcore seasons, where almost nobody ever TRs at all. Looking for recent hardcore builds will give you some really good advice.

 

[Sylvado]

I've noticed on a few forums about DDO there seems to be a few people that don't really help. It doesn't happen here as often as say reddit, but it happens a bit. On reddit and other forums it's bad. They just say this is the best and everyone else sucks, and these people also have like 10+ past lives and 50+ reaper points and whatever else things that most of the people asking questions DON'T have. Why trash people who are trying to either learn about the game, get better, and have fun, or those who are trying to help? Why? That elitist attitude sucks and helps no one. Is it just a pitiful attempt at a flex? I just don't get it. Though, with the way things are with the internet and the state of a lot of games post the WoW era, it's not surprising. Sad, but not surprising.
Also, there seems to be a lot of builds that have reaper points or past lives added. I came back from a decade absence, and when I left, there wasn't any reaper points and I hadn't gotten a toon high enough and had done enough for me to be able to or WANT to TR at the time. Now with level 32 and new stuff I have done, I am not sure when my highest will get a TR, much less any other toon. It doesn't help that my wife (who I am SOOOO thankful she love to game and plays games with me!) has ADHD and loves to toon hop and we have about 18 toons each, which makes spending a lot of time on one toon hard, but she can't help it. So why not as much love for those like me or those who just stated and have no past lives? I am not say NO ONE does 1 life builds, but they are few a far between, unless I am just having crap luck at finding them.

Reaper points do not impact a build unless you are playing reaper difficulty. All the builds can be used without past lives, often they will tell you what to skip if you only have 28 points. With all the difficulty levels this game offers there is a place in it for everyone.