VIP value and new content

[Fizban]

In 2023 you have wasted your time on making Drooam legendary, something noone wanted. Then Amber Temple is getting changed to another boring linear quest. A lot of developer time wasted on changing old content that did not need changing. That noone wanted changed.

Actually, I like the new Drooam legendary quests, and I know a few others as well. Your comment then by default is not factual. In general, I wouldnt spew opinions as facts that cannot be known unless you personnaly know every single DDO player.

Additionally, any time invested in improvement of the game whether by mechanics, content, or character updates is always welcome and never a waste to me.

 

[somenewnoob]

Actually, I like the new Drooam legendary quests, and I know a few others as well. Your comment then by default is not factual. In general, I wouldnt spew opinions as facts that cannot be known unless you personnaly know every single DDO player.

Additionally, any time invested in improvement of the game whether by mechanics, content, or character updates is always welcome and never a waste to me.

More legendary quests for rxp is always good.

He's right about Amber though!

 

[DDO Gaming]

We have given tons of ideas since the pandemic began on how to capitalise the huge influx we had and how to attract/keep new players and what we need in end-game. None of them has been taken seriously. They keep harping back to "we are a small company"

I've been playing Raid Shadow Legends and this game repeatedly spontaneously displays adverts usually after clicking on something.

So tell me, you're outside the crafting hall in House Kundarak, You've clicked on the door and...an advert from DDO sales suddenly appears. How would you react? I recall suggesting in the taverns instead of kobold special brew they could sell coke zero, a simple kindof advertising that could bring in additional revenues but the DDO community reacted negatively.

So change costs $$$ and there is never any guarantee the resources invested will result in revenue growth.

 

[somenewnoob]

I've been playing Raid Shadow Legends and this game repeatedly spontaneously displays adverts usually after clicking on something.

So tell me, you're outside the crafting hall in House Kundarak, You've clicked on the door and...an advert from DDO sales suddenly appears. How would you react? I recall suggesting in the taverns instead of kobold special brew they could sell coke zero, a simple kindof advertising that could bring in additional revenues but the DDO community reacted negatively.

So change costs $$$ and there is never any guarantee the resources invested will result in revenue growth.

I can just see Elminster now "Hark take heed friend! Yee seem to be a stranger here. Did yee know Cialis is 93% effective in treating ED............"

 

[FaceDancer]

I always felt that if I derived some entertainment from playing a game that was free to play and I had some way to support the developer through in game purchases, I would. I generally try to do that from time to time. With that being said that is just MY way of doing things. To me that is a personal decision and not something I would foist on others.

Then again... playing a free game and then complaining about it is kinda like complaining about politics and yet you didn't vote.

 

[somenewnoob]

I always felt that if I derived some entertainment from playing a game that was free to play and I had some way to support the developer through in game purchases, I would. I generally try to do that from time to time. With that being said that is just MY way of doing things. To me that is a personal decision and not something I would foist on others.

Then again... playing a free game and then complaining about it is kinda like complaining about politics and yet you didn't vote.

You're pretty close on the analogy.

But it's more like people who used to vote, and who would gladly vote again, but there just isn't anybody worth voting for.

 

[Zuldar]

VIP is kind of lacking but I think the idea should be give ideas to make it better. So I propose giving VIPs a way to mitigate RNG a tiny bit. Call it the VIP Advantage as a catchy marketing name.

Use the concept of advantage from 5e when dealing with things like named item drop rate, sp recovery from pots, or any other similar things. It won't directly affect game balance too much since they could have gotten the better result in the first place but it will help make them feel a bit luckier.

Also more xp for VIPs, make it 20% and a 5% buddy bonus.

 

[DDO Gaming]

I'm going to directly compare Raid Shadow Legends with DDO by saying DDO is awesome but Raid Shadow is extremely easy to grasp.

And if you want the bigger audience then you need a game that's easy to grasp

 

[Fhrek]

playing a free game and then complaining about it is kinda like complaining about politics and yet you didn't vote.

Isn't free when you're paying for it.

As I understand it is a VIP value thread, as costumers that paid for a product, yes - complaining is totally acceptable. Even the Devs said VIP programm needs a revamp to make it better, the bitter parts are:

(1) VIP subscription used to give the players access to game FULL CONTENT, but since they introduced Expension Packs in MoTU, few adventure packs where released to VIP free access, now beyond VIP we need to buy (for cash early at release or for points later on the store);

(2) They took a well received VIP Perk (Free Daily Gold Dice Rolls) and didn't gave anything in return for almost a year, now they are enabling Free Daily Gold Dice Rolls for the month, but why?

Because they can't make up anything better, so players are complaning... I missed something here?

 

[DDO Gaming]

As I understand it is a VIP value thread, as costumers that paid for a product, yes - complaining is totally acceptable. Even the Devs said VIP programm needs a revamp to make it better, the bitter part are::

This is where SSG gets caught in the middle. In an attempt to attract new gamers they will do things that upset the existing community. And unlike other gaming experiences DDO relies heavily on the core community to exist.

Personally I think the existing community should be less sensitive and more forgiving toward SSG and her attempts to attract new gamers. So what if they did xyz in 2020 or 2015? We're in 2023 and DDO needs to compete to bring in revenue

 

[Lagin]

And we've officially reached the "you dirty freeloader" portion of the thread that all VIP value discussions devolve into when the other side has nothing credible to say.

 

[Fhrek]

And unlike other gaming experiences DDO relies heavily on the core community to exist

I know, just saying that there is a cause for complaints. I'm totally on board to SSG make efforts to attract new costumers, they just need to give VIP better perks. Even free newcomers will be enticed to subscribing - double win!

 

[DDO Gaming]

I know, just saying that there is a cause for complaints. I'm totally on board to SSG make efforts to attract new costumers, they just need to give VIP better perks. Even free newcomers will be enticed to subscribing - double win!

Give VIP better perks to experiened gamers who have TRed...multiple times. Please be precise because VIP is actually excellent value for money for gamers outside the core DDO community

 

[somenewnoob]

I know, just saying that there is a cause for complaints. I'm totally on board to SSG make efforts to attract new costumers, they just need to give VIP better perks. Even free newcomers will be enticed to subscribing - double win!

The thing is with VIP now, the closer you are to being brand new, the more value it has. A lot of us have been playing a minute. We don't need to unlock elite anymore, because we're all on our 50th life. We don't need points, we have been grinding racials and getting 800 points on favor points every one. We have all the adventure packs because we've bought them or used the coupon code.

As a new player, VIP has a TON of value. When you've been playing awhile, not so much. A new player posted a week ago and I told him VIP was a good value for a new player.

 

[FaceDancer]

You're pretty close on the analogy.

But it's more like people who used to vote, and who would gladly vote again, but there just isn't anybody worth voting for.

Agree! I am currently VIP but that is only because they brought gold rolls back for a limited time. When that goes... I do as well. I will still purchase content from time to time, but VIP is not compelling enough for me to commit to it on a monthly basis.

 

[Fhrek]

Please be precise because VIP is actually excellent value for money for gamers outside the core DDO community

As a new player, VIP has a TON of value. When you've been playing awhile, not so much. A new player posted a week ago and I told him VIP was a good value for a new player.

I know guys!

VIP is whom pay for subs monthly or 3 months or 12 months packs.

Whom wants to expend money will expend money.. those are whales. I'm not advocating to whales, I'm advocating for lowly VIPs.

Whales don't care about VIP perks, they will go Premium and infuse cash on the things they want.

 

[somenewnoob]

Agree! I am currently VIP but that is only because they brought gold rolls back for a limited time. When that goes... I do as well. I will still purchase content from time to time, but VIP is not compelling enough for me to commit to it on a monthly basis.

Right. That brings some added value to it. We all saw their initial "ideas" for VIP perks.....and they were......how can I say this without being banned........they were not so good! So they added that back in temporarily. Which was a good thing. And probably SHOULD be permanent for VIP, I don't buy their "fiscally responsible" thing.

The players have provided SO MANY good ideas, but they still haven't acted on it. And I think that is where so much of the frustration is.

It's the old SSG.......SOON!

 

[LunaCee]

Hah. They might have more takers if VIP gave one free past-life of player's choice each month. The game is a treadmill at this point, and the whole shtick of VIP is making the journey faster. So why not let people choose to be able to skip having to buy and play through certain iconics, racials, or base classes? And even for veterans that "have it all" on the main character it is the sort of thing that could be used to build an alt on the side.

 

[somenewnoob]

Hah. They might have more takers if VIP gave one free past-life of player's choice each month. The game is a treadmill at this point, and the whole shtick of VIP is making the journey faster. So why not let people choose to be able to skip having to buy and play through certain iconics, racials, or base classes? And even for veterans that "have it all" on the main character it is the sort of thing that could be used to build an alt on the side.

On that same theme.........I know one thing that would make me run downstairs for my credit card to renew my sub so fast that it would cause lag in real life.........would be if you could get a class/racial life by doing an epic life. Faster and more fun for the players. Good for SSG because you are not resetting favor each live and getting free points.

One can dream. That would make me VIP for life.

 

[Dragavon]

Actually, I like the new Drooam legendary quests, and I know a few others as well. Your comment then by default is not factual. In general, I wouldnt spew opinions as facts that cannot be known unless you personnaly know every single DDO player.

Additionally, any time invested in improvement of the game whether by mechanics, content, or character updates is always welcome and never a waste to me.

It is good that you like it. But do you really think it is good that SSG prioritize updating 13 years old content instead of making new quests?