Are Rogues Just Bad?
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Dandonk
This is not the title you're looking for
My TA really like using a pole...
Jack Jarvis Esquire
Well-known member
Can you just stop making things up please?
You've previously said you don't raid, so how on earth do you come away with a statement like that with any credibility?
I've tried very hard to avoid biting back at some of the stuff you clearly make up, but it's just too constant to ignore now.
It might be just me but surely others are past buying whatever it is you're selling?
The sad thing is that on occasion should you actually have something valid to post, it will be treated with skepticism because of all the other BS it's not worth wading though.
I'm now at the point where I'm just going to ignore your posts going forward. I just don't trust a word of them.
I still wish you'd cut it out though.
Elminster
Well-known member
Just personal experience. I told you the raids I'm in here on Khyber are toxic. And they stack mostly casters and melees now.Can you just stop making things up please?
You've previously said you don't raid, so how on earth do you come away with a statement like that with any credibility?
I've tried very hard to avoid biting back at some of the stuff you clearly make up, but it's just too constant to ignore now.
It might be just me but surely others are past buying whatever it is you're selling?
The sad thing is that on occasion should you actually have something valid to post, it will be treated with skepticism because of all the other BS it's not worth wading though.
I'm now at the point where I'm just going to ignore your posts going forward. I just don't trust a word of them.
I still wish you'd cut it out though.
Again, if you main a rogue I didn't mean any offence by it.
rabidfox
The People's Champion
What? I know the raiders on Khyber really well and the majority of them are very nice folks. You've previously stated you don't play on Khyber. And casters are rarely in raids in general. So why are you saying bad things about people you don't run with by calling the raids toxic (based off your prior comments about where you play and what you do).
Elminster
Well-known member
Like I said personal experience, I'm not diminishing ALL the raiders on Khyber. And I also play on wierd times at late night EST so I may just bump into the wrong crowd.
Lazuli
Well-known member
Rogues are good, but it is true that particularly assassin does not shine in inexperienced hands. I've seen a lot of assassins whose players seem to think they're playing rogue-icon barbarians, and those assassins tend not to be very good. Now, I have seen players playing assassins knowing how to take full advantage of all the strenghts of the class, and so yes, those assassins are impressive. (I'm always in awe when I see Astrican play his assassin, although he's a bad example to set as a standard because he's one of the best - if not the best - assassin player I've ever seen).
My conclusion for a long time is that the assassin is a subclass and a playstyle good, but not for all players. Acrobats and mechanics aren't bad either, and although they don't achieve end results as good as assassins... they are easier to play. That's why my rogue was an acrobat, assassin is not a style that suits me.
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Lazuli
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This is flatly false. And you have said so many things that are not true that it is impossible to believe a single word that comes from you.Just personal experience. I told you the raids I'm in here on Khyber are toxic. And they stack mostly casters and melees now.
I know I should not fan the flame that is Elminster, but i kinda like the polls & even the logic-less banter is fun too.
um, most rouges are single target dps and many barbs are strikethrough DPS, so in terms of raids...you absolutely want a single target DPS specialist and rouges tend to win there more often that not...well minus the flavor of the month builds that'll likely get nerfed soon. though each raid has different mechanics and not all rogues are created equal.
IMO rouge sets the bar for single target DPS and if a build gets above the bar, eventually the build gets downgraded.
um, most rouges are single target dps and many barbs are strikethrough DPS, so in terms of raids...you absolutely want a single target DPS specialist and rouges tend to win there more often that not...well minus the flavor of the month builds that'll likely get nerfed soon. though each raid has different mechanics and not all rogues are created equal.
IMO rouge sets the bar for single target DPS and if a build gets above the bar, eventually the build gets downgraded.
Kobay
Kobold Union Specialist
Jack Jarvis Esquire
Well-known member
I don't find it offensive, and there is nothing to suggest you are IMO. I find it unreliable and distracting though. If you could stop presenting speculation and wishful thinking as fact and insider knowledge, that would be great.Just personal experience. I told you the raids I'm in here on Khyber are toxic. And they stack mostly casters and melees now.
Again, if you main a rogue I didn't mean any offence by it.
Falkor
Well-known member
Geez. More outrage over yet another nothing burger. How about a diet?
Are rogues bad ... lol. getting kicked from raids for being a rogue? lol ... if you want to believe it's because being a rogue, then more power to you.
Next series of posts will be about how over powered rogues are and they need nerfed. Had a rogue post a sneak attack for over 300k in skellies a few weeks ago. And that's not even close to what they can do.
And khyber has some of the nicest people I've met in this game. Guess some thing isn't adding up for OP. Imagine getting on here and calling everyone on an entire server toxic ... and then wondering why the boot is given when joining raids.
Complaining about people who have yer number and calling them names b/c they have boundaries and don't want ya in their sandbox. That's some special sauce for that nothing burger. And look at all of us giving some extra salt for flavoring. All these clues and dots add up to a picture that most of us can clearly see, but is somehow still flying over the cuckoo's nest. That would be where the special sauce comes from. Don't look up.
Please stop filling the forums with this trash. I'd rather have pages of Abu Dhabi call girl ads. Those are at least amusing, and all about the rouge.
Are rogues bad ... lol. getting kicked from raids for being a rogue? lol ... if you want to believe it's because being a rogue, then more power to you.
Next series of posts will be about how over powered rogues are and they need nerfed. Had a rogue post a sneak attack for over 300k in skellies a few weeks ago. And that's not even close to what they can do.
And khyber has some of the nicest people I've met in this game. Guess some thing isn't adding up for OP. Imagine getting on here and calling everyone on an entire server toxic ... and then wondering why the boot is given when joining raids.
Complaining about people who have yer number and calling them names b/c they have boundaries and don't want ya in their sandbox. That's some special sauce for that nothing burger. And look at all of us giving some extra salt for flavoring. All these clues and dots add up to a picture that most of us can clearly see, but is somehow still flying over the cuckoo's nest. That would be where the special sauce comes from. Don't look up.
Please stop filling the forums with this trash. I'd rather have pages of Abu Dhabi call girl ads. Those are at least amusing, and all about the rouge.
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Nokowi
Active member
Rogues have a ton of utility and have always been a popular choice. I had over 10,000 hours of fun with rogue. Rogue's suffer from SSG's poor agro design and from SSG's design philosophy of tacking on enough numbers that people play something. If Chai is still around you can ask for the 2013 list of agro changes that benefitted both players and the game. SSG knows how to do intelligent design but has fallen very short of good design with respect to agro and the lag created by their design choices. Still fun to play but a mere figment of what they could be in a challenge setting.
7/10 fun
3/10 SSG design choices
Rogues are really the model for what reaper could have been - lag free with interactions that intuitively make sense are endlessly interesting. None of this one second delay business before pressing the next button because of poorly coded synergies.
7/10 fun
3/10 SSG design choices
Rogues are really the model for what reaper could have been - lag free with interactions that intuitively make sense are endlessly interesting. None of this one second delay business before pressing the next button because of poorly coded synergies.
Vlander
Well Known Member
No. Tabaxi Stick build rouge is very soloable
