Shear-buckler
Well-known member
Add a cap of 3-5 years and you have a great system that will make a ton of players sub.
Introducing our VIP Loyalty Reward Program!
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Add a cap of 3-5 years and you have a great system that will make a ton of players sub.
Shear-buckler
Well-known member
The problem with QoL upgrades is that it literally makes the quality of the game worse for non-VIPs. At some point the quality will be too low.
axel15810
Well-known member
Good change. Felt a little bad the way it was originally presented. Might considering coming up with a new mount each year and incentivize people to stay that way.
Valerianus
Former Captain Of The Rotten Shark
nice change in the right direction
also, i personally don't care (atm and hopefully in the future) but talking about really real rl issues, like if a player is deployed, hospitalized, whatever, and can't log for months....
i'm perfectly aware that from a business point of view "dude it's your problem i don't care"
i'm also aware that from a business perspective it is about having the players logging in regularly....but this is daily rolls prerogative btw...
if it is a "loyalty" program, you should grant its rewards to e.g. the people who paid upfront for 12 months even if they have not logged in. you know, they paid upfront for x months. business-wise.....what more loyalty are you asking for?
i mean, if you paid but you don't log in once a month to claim the reward you are busted...that sounds wrong.
You have actually wanted to tell us this
Month 01: + 10 shared bank slots
Month 02: + 10 shared bank slots
Month 03: + 10 shared bank slots
Month 04: + 10 shared bank slots
Month 05: + 10 shared bank slots
Month 06: + 10 shared bank slots
Month 07: + 10 shared bank slots
Month 08: + 10 shared bank slots
Month 09: + 10 shared bank slots
Month 10: + 10 shared bank slots
Month 11: + 10 shared bank slots
Month 12: + 10 shared bank slots
Keep it simple FTW! You are welcome
Phoenicis
Savage's Husband
New question: Is the trail/mount only on one server or can they be claimed on every server once unlocked?
Nickodeamous
Well-known member
Reading through the comments I feel like if these become better and better the longer you are VIP, then I think there is a good path here.
I tried to envision what it would look like for the next 48 months. Below is a grid of what could be? (or maybe not...)
If you look below, the rewards in some cases get progressively better, and by the end of 48 months, you have:
I tried to envision what it would look like for the next 48 months. Below is a grid of what could be? (or maybe not...)
If you look below, the rewards in some cases get progressively better, and by the end of 48 months, you have:
- 40 more Inv slots (bonus for each year you keep ddo active as VIP)
- DDO Points in month 1 of each year getting progressively better (500 month 1, 1,000 month 13, etc...)
- Bag of many things getting progressively better (worth 500 month 2/5/10, 1,000 month 14/17/22, etc...)
- 4 new free character slots (that we should be able to keep)
- Durability that maxes at 100% by the end of year 4
- Crafting that gets progressively better from 10% to 25% in year 4
- 10k worth of DDO points for +20 hearts over 4 years (greater VIP bag)
- a new mount each year and new lag adder (lightning this time)
| Description | What you get | Year 1 | Year 2 | Year 3 | Year 4 | 48 months |
| 1st Time Signup Bonus Gift: | inventory slots | 5 | 5 | 5 | 5 | 20 |
| 1st Month Completed: | DDO Points | 500 | 1,000 | 1,500 | 2,000 | 5,000 |
| 2nd Month Completed: | Bag of Many things (value only) | 500 | 1,000 | 1,500 | 2,000 | 5,000 |
| 3rd Month: | character slot | 625 | 625 | 625 | 625 | 2,500 |
| 4th Month: | Durability | 10% | 25% | 50% | 100% | |
| 5th Month: | Bag of Many things (value only) | 500 | 1,000 | 1,500 | 2,000 | 5,000 |
| 6th Month: | Lightning Storm Trail | priceless | ||||
| 7th Month: | Craftings | 10% | 15% | 20% | 25% | |
| 8th Month: | Greater VIP Bag of Many Things | 2500 | 2500 | 2500 | 2500 | 10,000 |
| 9th Month: | VIP Discovery Boost | 1% | 2% | 3% | 4% | |
| 10th Month: | Bag of Many things (value only) | 500 | 1,000 | 1,500 | 2,000 | 5,000 |
| 11th Month: | inventory slots | 5 | 5 | 5 | 5 | 20 |
| 12th Month: | Storm Cloud Rider Mount | mount 1 | mount 2 | mount 3 | mount 4 | 5,000 |
seph1roth5
Well-known member
A nice turnaround, but still needs some tweaking if you want to get anyone that was on the fence or unsubbed and wants to want to sub again. Everyone else doesn't care about any of this and is going to vip already. You could literally scrap this entire program and replace it with nothing and the amount of people that were going to vip would change by like....5. Some ultra low amount of people that might vip just for the cloud.
1 - The small bags of holding are bad. Omnispell, ethereal rest shrine, flawless dragonshard, glamerdust, mirror of glamering are all worthless. Omnidust people might use as a joke instead of just throwing it away. Please replace these with...SOMEthing of roughly the same value as the raid bypass timers. What about a new item that resets your gold roll? Could get 10 of those or something. Smaller xp pots like 20%, something people might actually use.
2 - Any permanent boosts should be given from the very start of vip, not doled out over 12 months: Shared bank, character slots, 10% durability (also make better or replace this), crafting boost, loot boost. Then, fill in the other months with an (improved) small bag and/or better stuff as well. Maybe instead of having people choose from items that cost ~150 pts, just give us another 150 pts/month...
3 - As evidenced by all of the confusion from the way this system works, is this 12-month npc turn in the only way it can be done? Can't just give it to us? It should also give you EVERYTHING right away if you sign up for 3, 6, or 12 months.
Still think most of these rewards are very bad. Maybe if the 1% loot bumped up to 2, AND/or a little more XP. Even if it's another 5% to vip, or another +1% buddy boost or something. But also all of the little bits would have to be given up front, not spread out over 12 long months.
Additional Suggestion
4 - VIP jr.: Half price and not include the adventure packs, just stuff that helps with questing (xp, saga skip).
I'm warming to this idea, but I know me, I'll go AFK for several months throughout the year & I loathe the idea of having to remember to log in to progress...though oddly, I'm fine to leave my subscription going. And going AFK generally leaves my wallet fatter, so if you can sell me some way to collect the months I've missed, you'll give me an excuse to give you more support.
I'll probably only buy VIP the months I can play and just progress slower...but if SSG wants my lazy money and gives me a catch-up mechanism...well, tell me now so I can get the yearly subscription started?!?!
Interestingly, I now think the staff gets incentivized based on the number of active accounts per calendar month, hence the monthly check-in. There's probably some data relating revenue to active accounts & possibly most of us are older with some disposable income, so they can probably generalize most accounts. Though frankly, there is not enough content and/or LFMs to keep me active every month of the year. Plus, I recently hit reaper cap, so kinda hard to motivate myself to play...I've morphed into a cc/heal bot to basically just help others. (plz take the lazy money
I'll probably only buy VIP the months I can play and just progress slower...but if SSG wants my lazy money and gives me a catch-up mechanism...well, tell me now so I can get the yearly subscription started?!?!
Interestingly, I now think the staff gets incentivized based on the number of active accounts per calendar month, hence the monthly check-in. There's probably some data relating revenue to active accounts & possibly most of us are older with some disposable income, so they can probably generalize most accounts. Though frankly, there is not enough content and/or LFMs to keep me active every month of the year. Plus, I recently hit reaper cap, so kinda hard to motivate myself to play...I've morphed into a cc/heal bot to basically just help others. (plz take the lazy money
Zvdegor
Melee Artificer Freak
It would be nice, if someone have been playing DDO as a VIP for 10+ years would have some kind of pin (like a mini DDO logo or a little dragon logo) next to their name since the new VIP program is not retrospective and it would be a nice gesture from SSG to salute and express gratitude to those players who always supported the game. Thoughts?
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Zvdegor
Melee Artificer Freak
I also suggest that add a Card of Cleansing into the lesser and the greter Bag of many Things.
If someone purchase VIP and got 1-4 possibilities to choose a cleanser card (which is of course bta and cannot be sold or transfered out of account) that would be great and would raise the value of the bags and VIP.
Cleanser Card is something very rare, cannot be bought in the DDO store. It has got high value in the community. It wont be overpowered if VIP would be able to get a few cards/year to get 1-4 more chances to get better curses on items.
If someone purchase VIP and got 1-4 possibilities to choose a cleanser card (which is of course bta and cannot be sold or transfered out of account) that would be great and would raise the value of the bags and VIP.
Cleanser Card is something very rare, cannot be bought in the DDO store. It has got high value in the community. It wont be overpowered if VIP would be able to get a few cards/year to get 1-4 more chances to get better curses on items.
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seph1roth5
Well-known member
I can't see them adding a card cleanser, but I'd be all for it. Maybe something like a token for the anniversary djinn, that has an assortment of older raid items.
Zvdegor
Melee Artificer Freak
Some of us love cursing some of us hate it. But it wont hurt to add 1 card into the bags. You can choose other items so it is not something you can have 100%. You have to make a decision and sacrifice other items if you chose something from the bag.
Also the card only offers you another chance to curse one item which can be even worse than the existing curse you already have.
So I think it is a good choice of a bag.
voenixa121
Well-known member
Thinking on this, it's even worse. Wizards have all these "rare scrolls" that you can't just buy and learn. Meanwhile, Sorcerers can now just go to a trainer and learn any spell they want, any time they want.
I really don't like this part.
Lazuli
Well-known member
It seems like a horrible unbalancing perk to me, yes. It's fine to be able to change spells in public areas, but spontaneous spellcasters have to have a cooldown, or they're destroying prepared spellcasters.
Well, they've been destroying generalist spellcasters for a while with their design (ahem, equipment, ED mantles designed for specialists, etc.), but that perk would be the last nail in the coffin.
That VIP spontaneous spellcasters can change spells faster than non-VIP ones, ok (although in my opinion VIP should not give advantage to the classes themselves, that is not QoL, that is giving power to the class), but not without cooldown, devs.
TheRedDeathNick
New member
Strimtom posted a video about this. LotRo has easy better V.I.P. bonuses