New VIP Loyalty Reward Plan ... Thoughts ?

[Archaic]

I am ok with it...
It still doesn't fix tumble and I am going to be real...I only used it as a fidget and most people would say the same.
But the accumulative rewards is a good incentive to keep money rolling in even if you have to wait for a cool down to do so yourself.

 

[Nickodeamous]

How many times must people repeat the same thing...

7 times. that's the number.

 

[Falkor]

In case someone missed it the first 7 times ... we DO get to summon the cloud mount and shiny particles even if we unsub. This is a change from the original version. It's the right direction. Do this for the rest of the VIP perks like bank space and people might start to pony up for VIP.

This is why feedback is important. No matter how antagonistic some people get towards those who contribute that feedback.

 

[Ungermax]

In case someone missed it the first 7 times ...

I need it a couple more times plz

 

[Tanis]

It's enough to make VIP worth it. This plus all existing perks make VIP a no brainer if you play DDO a lot. For $99 for a year of VIP - 6500 DDO points, the perm 10% XP boost, saga skip, elite open, a +20 heart, special weekend boosts, extra storage, extra character slots and all the other stuff I'm not mentioning. I think that's pretty good value. People need to keep in mind this new program is in addition to existing perks, it's not meant to make VIP worth it all on its own.

No the whole reason VIP got this was because of how many players let SSG know VIP was not worth it by unsub

 

[karthunk]

Just give us the lotro vip items. It's really simple.

 

[Sturmbb]

Just give us the lotro vip items. It's really simple.

I have been playing LOTRO lately. I was absolutely gob smacked on the benefits VIP gives you over at that game. I im subscribed to quite a few games with VIP benefits. So I've always known DDO's VIP benefits are completely lacking compared to other games. What i was not expecting was a game run by the same people to have vastly better VIP benefits. For those waiting for HC and finding live not worth playing. I would strongly suggest trying LOTRO, its really fun and has similar gameplay mechanics. Really loving it

Bring on HC lol

 

[Loromir]

I never heard an answer to what happens on month 13? Start over? New list of perks? Nothing?

 

[rabidfox]

I never heard an answer to what happens on month 13? Start over? New list of perks? Nothing?

It goes on to month 13, they've just only created the 12 months worth of the list so far.

Sorry, folks, I spoke incorrectly based on not being up to speed on a point of the VIP Loyalty Reward program, and I want to correct that now:

The VIP Loyalty Reward Program does indeed continue on past the 12th reward; the plan is to continue to add to the reward list over time. So, once you've acquired the 12th reward, you will be eligible for the 13th reward the following month.

 

[Cheeps]

I'm thinking that the dev's will use the same lag animations from wrath of earth quest to light up the storm cloud mount.

HaHa. I'm joking, but it's probably true.

Brace yourselves for more lag in 12 months time!

Also brace yourselves for more caster nerfs to help fix the lag storm could mount thingy will be projecting.

 

[Melkizadek]

Thought I would chime in with my story here too. I have been playing DDO since 2009. I have been F2P except for one year where I splurged on VIP and then realized that I was not really getting enough value for the money. Some of the biggest advantages ended up not being helpful to me or actually drawbacks (I will extrapolate below).

When the new VIP program was initially announced I thought to myself... welp this will be the year that I will finally subscribe, but sadly after looking at the bonuses I will stay F2P. I really want to support SSG, but the value is just not there. I will continue buying the expansions on the 4 accounts I play on, but VIP is still not enough.

Here are some thoughts about the current offerings and some suggestions of things that would draw me in.

Bonus VIP XP: This is awesome... until it is not. The guild members I play with are not subscribed and I end up losing the value here. I end up having to bank the extra levels and lose xp while the rest of the party catches up. Therefore I have to run the extra quests anyway.

Open on Elite: Also a huge draw, but since I only play one character and have TR'd multiple times I already have this (for free). The one area that it would be helpful would be hardcore, but that is not my cup of tea, so I would never benefit from it.

Weekly Gold Rolls: I really enjoyed these when I had them daily, but I cant justify $10+ per month to maybe get an xp pot, slayer pot, or cool cosmetic.

Extra character slots and bank storage: This is very nice. Since I have lived without it for so long it doesn't really make a difference to me, especially knowing that I would pay for it monthly and then lose the benefit if I ever decided to not be VIP. I would much rather just buy points and get character slots or space unlocked (which I have and leads me to my next point).

500 points per month. I have played long enough now that I have basically everything an account can purchase from the DDO store. There are some nice things like xp pots or slayer pots that are fine, but again, I run with a static group that chooses not to purchase those things. I typically just save up points and buy the next little quest packs that come out and just from running past lives I have plenty of points to do that. I typically save up for stuff that I chose not to purchase in the ULTIMATE editions of expansions as well such as destiny tomes or AP tomes.

I realize that there are other benefits to the program, but they don't cut it for me. I really do want to support this awesome game, so here is what I think the VIP program needs to draw me in.

1. More convenience: teleport items, teleporting to quests in explorer areas, guild ship access anywhere (permanent beacon)
2. Basic expansions included with VIP that I can upgrade if I decide. (I realize this has implications if I unsub)
3. The ability to make Iconic Characters at level 1
4. The ability to make Iconic Characters an archetype
5. The ability to change the class of an iconic character without using a +x heart of wood
6. Better free stuff each month (which brings me to my valuation of the new VIP loyalty program)

VIP Loyalty program

The items that are offered in this pack are honestly terrible. The ONLY things that are nice are +20 hearts (which I don't buy anyway) or raid bypass timers. The other things are all given to me in droves by silver rolls. If I am going to buy into a program like this, the rewards have to be better. What sucks is now you have lost me forever by setting the course for the first 12 months with garbage I don't want because when the 13th month comes out with something I DO want, I will never buy 12 months of the service just to get to it in a year.

 

[Falkor]

What if these new VIP perks were instead on a quarterly basis. One of those perks every week over a 12 week period. Not 12 months.

It seems that numerous players purchase in three month increments. I think that would make it worthwhile and achievable.

But yea, there is a critical flaw with it being 12 months ... and then if somebody wants to get to month 13 ... they have to wait a year? Or if they didn't click to progress the system, they are SOL ? What if that person was sick and had other life circumstances to prevent progression?

If someone purchases a year of VIP, they have to wait a year and click on some button every month?

This whole system is borktacular and needs revised.

This VIP system obviously had zero market research behind it. It appears to be a fail for the greatest majority of the community. It won't incentive new VIP accounts, and doesn't offer much of anything to current VIP.

And despite it being a loyalty reward program, it doesn't seem to actually reward those who are loyal.

 

[seph1roth5]

What if these new VIP perks were instead on a quarterly basis. One of those perks every week over a 12 week period. Not 12 months.

I think that would make it worthwhile.

But yea, there is a critical flaw with it being 12 months ... and then if somebody wants to get to month 13 ... they have to wait a year? Or if they didn't click to progress the system, they are SOL ? What if that person was sick and had other life circumstances to prevent progression?

This whole system is borktacular and needs revised.

This VIP system obviously had zero market research behind it. It appears to be a fail for the greatest majority of the community. It won't incentive new VIP accounts.

They did market research I'm sure. Not sure WHAT market. I still think the whole think reeks of a battlepass lol. Or rather, they saw how well games with battlepasses did and took some bits of it, and did the same with gachas. But they took mostly the $$-grubbing parts, not the ones that make them appealing. I honestly don't know of ANY game that has a system for more than ~6 weeks. Most are on a monthly reward cycle.

We sort of have a weekly/daily thing with die rolls. But the pool is far too bloated and full of garbage. Most of the gold prizes should be silver (or nothing lol, like holy aura scrolls). If they revamped that to be more valuable, then just having weekly gold rolls would be a big perk of VIP. It's ridiculous that one of the vip perks is a 20% chance of 1000xp and negligible plat. And some giant % chance of a crap item too.

 

[Falkor]

MTG Arena has a battlepass per season. I pay for that, it works out well and is a good value. The rewards change with every new set release, which I believe is every 3 or 4 months.

As for other games, I'm not familiar enough to know. Do you know of some that have battlepass systems that people enjoy and pay for ?

 

[LurkingVeteran]

Still waiting for Super-VIP where you get access to all quests and trees from all expansions and bundles without having to care.

 

[erethizon1]

What sucks is now you have lost me forever by setting the course for the first 12 months with garbage I don't want because when the 13th month comes out with something I DO want, I will never buy 12 months of the service just to get to it in a year.

This is the most interesting question for me. Will they lose more or gain more people with this system? Let's say for example, the 60-month reward is awesome. Are there more people that will never sub because they refuse to wait 5 years to get it, or are there more people that will sub now, even for lackluster rewards, because they hope someday something awesome will be added? I think having an excellent 60-month reward would be a nice bonus for people that are jumping on the system just to see what will come and a nice middle finger to all the people refusing to sub because they claim this first year isn't good enough.

If you are the kind of person that doesn't pay money for advantages in your game (e.g. never buys exp or slayer pots, never buys astral shards or hearts of wood, etc.) then by all means continue not subscribing. But if you regularly spend money for convenience or advantage anyway, just subscribe and see what comes in the future. If you don't, and they add an awesome reward later, I think that is a fitting system. The only people that should not be subscribing should be people that can honestly say, "No matter what rewards get added in the next 10 years, I am sure I will be totally fine without them."

 

[Melkizadek]

This is the most interesting question for me. Will they lose more or gain more people with this system? Let's say for example, the 60-month reward is awesome. Are there more people that will never sub because they refuse to wait 5 years to get it, or are there more people that will sub now, even for lackluster rewards, because they hope someday something awesome will be added? I think having an excellent 60-month reward would be a nice bonus for people that are jumping on the system just to see what will come and a nice middle finger to all the people refusing to sub because they claim this first year isn't good enough.

If you are the kind of person that doesn't pay money for advantages in your game (e.g. never buys exp or slayer pots, never buys astral shards or hearts of wood, etc.) then by all means continue not subscribing. But if you regularly spend money for convenience or advantage anyway, just subscribe and see what comes in the future. If you don't, and they add an awesome reward later, I think that is a fitting system. The only people that should not be subscribing should be people that can honestly say, "No matter what rewards get added in the next 10 years, I am sure I will be totally fine without them."

I am not sure I completely agree with this line of thinking. When you go to the store to buy something, you pick the item out and then immediately pay for it. I don't go to Walmart, fork over 100 bucks in hopes that something happens later on. That is what I do at the casino.

Nor do you go to McDonalds and buy a 12 month subscription to have a McRib every month in hopes that next year the same subscription buys you a Filet Mignon.

The fact that I would have to suffer through 12 months of McRibs to get to the filet when it is offered is just assanine. (Sorry to those out there that like McRibs and this line of thinking makes no sense)

 

[ProllyDidItWrong]

IDK?
I went Premium when the game went F2P and for years I was happy just buying the content and features I wanted and ignoring the rest. I had NO FOMO and remained un-enticed by any of the seemingly endless gimicks that Turbine/Warner/SSG all pulled to try and get me to fork over more cash than I was willing to.

However I did sub for Hardcore, starting with HC 3 and have just kept my VIP rolling since then and have became use to the little perks I gained from VIP starting with access to content I haven't yet purchased to extra slots, DDO Points each month and weekly VIP Dice Rolls etc.

Then quite recently I was in a little financial crunch and I did away with a bunch of Patreon, Streaming, Game and Music subs including DDO (amazing how all those little $5.99, $9.99 and $14.99 charges add up to some serious dollars if you don"t pay attention to your bottom line) and I found that I really missed being VIP in DDO - so out of the dozens of little subs I had DDO is the only sub I re-upped.... and this was before the loyalty announcement.

So from my POV everything in the new VIP program is a net gain... all freebies and gifts. In my case the program didn't move the needle to whether I was going to sub or not... the biggest factor that got me to sub is the HC league. the thing that keeps me subbing in-between HC is the little conveniences that is hard to quantify off the top of my head... this program just adds a few more little things....

I dont know what people want or expect but I'm good with it - as I mentioned I had dozens of little subs and most of them offered some sort of loyalty rewards and none of them are really that great, or at least not the reason I subbed their platform to begin with nor did they keep me from quitting their product when I needed to trim the fat off my budget.

I expect most people are like me and the program isn't going to move the needle either way and they will continue with what ever they were doing before - subbing or not subbing as it were.

(Editted out the part where I insulted half the forums for their entitled BS, yet still felt the need to make a little blurb about it because it is as I said, BS)

me

 

[Elminster]

LoTRO vs. DDO VIP Loyalty Rewards

I've been hearing a LOT about the absolute smashing awesomeness that is LoTRO VIP rewards. Can someone explain in detail what LoTRO is getting relative to what DDO is getting?

I know you probably have to play LoTRO in order to understand the effective "oomph" of these rewards but if you could conceptualize what the relative worth of each item is, that would help. Thanks for any point of reference you guys can give.

 

[Warsaga]

LoTRO vs. DDO VIP Loyalty Rewards

I've been hearing a LOT about the absolute smashing awesomeness that is LoTRO VIP rewards. Can someone explain in detail what LoTRO is getting relative to what DDO is getting?

I know you probably have to play LoTRO in order to understand the effective "oomph" of these rewards but if you could conceptualize what the relative worth of each item is, that would help. Thanks for any point of reference you guys can give.

Thatd be a lot to type out. Just look up Strimtoms video on youtube about the vip loyalty rewards and he goes over the comparison.