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[Clumsyoof]

Give it a minute ppl

 

[The Outfit]

We have all been shadow banned.

 

[scharomph]

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FWIW I'd agree if NOBODY in the party has requisite detection skills, it shouldn't flag to anyone. ?

But that's exactly what happens, isn't it? A partymember spotting a secret door has the icon over her head, but my dumb barbarian does not. A party of dumb barbarians wouldn't get an icon over anyone's head then.

 

[ebasener]

It is up!

 

[GhostRednek]

The game worlds have reopened.

Same Game Launcher wont open

 

[The Outfit]

rogueish subterfuge skills - dont need those

im sure youl have a massive loud annoying capcom style icon over your head on approach

Nah you didn't read the release notes. It's smaller and more original.

 

[eshadowbringer]

This was just such a waste of time for a 17 year old game that already had an effective way to quick type out trap/secret doors. (alias's)

I agree such a waste when the feature is RIGHT THERE!

I utilize a combination of alias commands and the program Voice Attack to semi-automate certain tasks. However, it's undeniably a significant effort to set up and maintain!

Imagine if we could simply bind an alias to a hotkey, allowing us to effortlessly trigger a crucial message in big red letters, such as "STOP TRAP AHEAD," which would instantly notify the entire party in the chat. This would greatly streamline communication and enhance gameplay for many!

 

[Cashery]

I had to restart my PC to get the launcher to work

 

[Yamani]

I had to restart my PC to get the launcher to work

All you had to do was wait >.>

 

[Buddha5440]

Your argument is selfish and ill-thought out; if you solo a quest, then nobody else benefits (and they don't need to) but if you are in a party, then your reasoning flies in the face of the concept of multi-player cooperation, which you have agreed to participate in by being in a group. Sure, they are your skills, but conversely if you are dying in a party, you would want help such as healing... imagine if the healer let you die and then wrote in chat "tough, these healing abilities are my abilities after all". That wouldn't be very nice, would it? DnD and DDO promote group questing for a reason. Being selfish about it does you no credit.

EDIT: in a purely RP context, if the party trapper spotted a danger, they would [normally] alert the group; the idea of being useful. The new icons/sounds enables such party communication.

Wrong...just wrong.

If I notice a trapped chest or locked door (because of my training and skills), why should everyone else be made aware of it unless I choose to make them aware of it (maybe by stopping and looking around, ie. searching.). If they choose to disregard my actions, they do so at their own peril.

As far as the healing argument, you defeated/contradicted yourself later in the paragraph when you talked about DDO promoting group questing (ie. Trappers disable traps and healers heal), if you have healing abilities and you see another party member gushing blood, you don't need them to tell you that they need healing, much like you don't need the Rogue to tell you "there's a trap ahead" when they stop moving and start searching.

 

[Baahb3]

@SSG, The new Icon is much better. I still don't care to see it flash above my head and the pulsing of it is unneeded. But it is better for sure.

The noise is much lower as well, but that still does not solve the problem of its annoyance. Imagine going through Undermine and having to hear that click/ping 400 times. Or one of the Slavers quests, where there are dozens of pot mines. The constant chiming is annoying at best, distracting for most and irksome for the rest.

The whole thing needs a toggle off/on. If not for the icon, then please, please for the sound.

 

[Buddha5440]

I have to agree with the other guy on this one.

Unless a player is a complete jerk who is trying to get people killed, it makes complete sense.

ANY thief who is working for the good of the party would immediately tell all of the group of a trap. This just keeps you from having to physically type or say something.

The icon makes MORE sense than an area trap being set off because I type slowly. How does my slow typing play into the idea of immersion. "DM: You run into the trap and set it off killing everyone in your party. If only the thief had taken a typing class."

You could always do something like <Enter> <W> 'Wait' or <H> 'Hold' or just stop and search, that in and of itself is notification and requires no more than .5 seconds to do.

 

[SteelStar]

"The boss fight in the quest "Friends in Low Places" has been rebuilt."

What does this even mean?

We took the boss fight apart, and built it different!

As others noted above, this quest's end fight was a frequent perpetrator of Instant Red Alert, especially if you rushed down the boss. In many cases, you could end up with 25-30 mobs in the room.

This was awful for server performance, made it difficult to avoid the Red Alert, and just wasn't good gameplay in any form. We shouldn't (and generally don't) build boss fights like this anymore. It'd be a slightly different story if the game smoothly handled that many monsters, but even then it just wasn't an interesting fight to just rushdown the boss and move on.

The new version has significantly fewer monsters, but you need to deal with them to deal with the boss. I'd encourage people to actually give it a spin before passing judgement. I'll be the first to say the new version isn't a perfect fight either, if I were making it from full scratch and with plenty of time I'd do things differently. It's ultimately a small mid-arc boss fight in a small mid-arc quest. But! This version should be a smoother gameplay experience and should not incur instant Red Alert, which is most of the goal here.

 

[Phoenicis]

We took the boss fight apart, and built it different!

As others noted above, this quest's end fight was a frequent perpetrator of Instant Red Alert, especially if you rushed down the boss. In many cases, you could end up with 25-30 mobs in the room.

This was awful for server performance, made it difficult to avoid the Red Alert, and just wasn't good gameplay in any form. We shouldn't (and generally don't) build boss fights like this anymore. It'd be a slightly different story if the game smoothly handled that many monsters, but even then it just wasn't an interesting fight to just rushdown the boss and move on.

The new version has significantly fewer monsters, but you need to deal with them to deal with the boss. I'd encourage people to actually give it a spin before passing judgement. I'll be the first to say the new version isn't a perfect fight either, if I were making it from full scratch and with plenty of time I'd do things differently. It's ultimately a small mid-arc boss fight in a small mid-arc quest. But! This version should be a smoother gameplay experience and should not incur instant Red Alert, which is most of the goal here.

So, Thrill of the Hunt.

Gonna do something about THAT end fight, where (what seems like) a gazillion hounds all get released at once and almost immediately stun everyone with that sonic howling thing they do?

Not to concerned about A Lesson in Deception, that one already has a mechanic (knock the ladders down) to avoid red alert.

 

[SteelStar]

So, Thrill of the Hunt.

Gonna do something about THAT end fight, where (what seems like) a gazillion hounds all get released at once and almost immediately stun everyone with that sonic howling thing they do?

Not to concerned about A Lesson in Deception, that one already has a mechanic (knock the ladders down) to avoid red alert.

I can add it to the running list of quests to investigate. Our hit-list right now largely consists of unavoidable, instant red alert situations. Many of those are bad for server performance, and the 'unavoidable' bit means you can't avoid the situation with more cautious play patterns, so they need to be corrected as time allows.

 

[Buddha5440]

So, Thrill of the Hunt.

Gonna do something about THAT end fight, where (what seems like) a gazillion hounds all get released at once and almost immediately stun everyone with that sonic howling thing they do?

Not to concerned about A Lesson in Deception, that one already has a mechanic (knock the ladders down) to avoid red alert.

Improvise, Adapt, Overcome.

With some good CC (which is not even needed with small groups and easily accomplished with larger groups), this quest is easily done "at level" with any good build/player. I have done it many times with a Rng/Rog/X (6/1/13), (depending on what past life I'm going for) and had no issues with it.

If everything is EASY; what's the point. Games are supposed to present challenge. If you don't want it at an Elite level...try running it at Hard/Normal/ or even Casual.

 

[Dendrix Deathblade]

If my skills are high enough to detect traps and hidden doors why should you be able to use my skills to see that door or trap... I have worked hard and spent my time and money to be able to do so why should anyone be able to see anything because of my skills, they are my skills after all.

Do you move away from shrines when people are shrining?
The game automatically uses the greatest heal/repair skill nearby to determine how many HP's are restored and if you are nearby it uses your skill

Can you let me know your characters names and servers, I find your attitude distasteful and I don't want to group with you.

 

[HoopleHead]

So, Thrill of the Hunt.

Gonna do something about THAT end fight, where (what seems like) a gazillion hounds all get released at once and almost immediately stun everyone with that sonic howling thing they do?

I've started the end-fight, backs WAY off to the door to give myself to breathing room, had ALL those doggos rush me in a huge pile...
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I'll cast GCS and everything just STOPS for a good 20-25 seconds.. just freezes rock hard... then every single doggo will get a 'save' over the head @ the same time, despite my having the DCs to no-fail.... and then I get hit with 25 stacks of Howler Madness (-2 WIS each)... no save
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Mind you, this was only on R6 @ level 15... everything leading up to is was a cake-walk :mad: