Reaper Endgame Wood Elf Frenzied Berserker
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Estravenne
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I know this build is quite old right now, but I really appreciated learning from it.
What's you opinion on how a THF Falchion barbarian stands up against a 3 Bard/17 Barbarian SWF handaxe build for the stronger crit profile/attack speed at the cost of AOE? In the original post, you mentioned THF being "uncool" and in a bad place, due to attack speed. So just wondering if that's still the case. And if there are any Barbarian builds that can get around this issue. Cheers.
What's you opinion on how a THF Falchion barbarian stands up against a 3 Bard/17 Barbarian SWF handaxe build for the stronger crit profile/attack speed at the cost of AOE? In the original post, you mentioned THF being "uncool" and in a bad place, due to attack speed. So just wondering if that's still the case. And if there are any Barbarian builds that can get around this issue. Cheers.
Generally speaking this (or any real AOE build) is going to clear trash a lot faster than the SWF, but the SWF is far better at single target DPS.
So yes it will still be the case and I don't imagine it will ever change.
That being said there are videos of players using THF Falchion Berserker builds to solo R10 quests, there are a lot of players who enjoy playing THF builds at endgame. There isn't anything "wrong" with THF and I've never heard of anyone actually claiming THF lacks something at endgame. Yeah you're not going to be as good at DPS tests, but a well built/well geared toon is going to be "good enough" .
TLDR yes THF is still (and will likely continue to be) weaker at single target DPS than SWF, but no one is going to kick you from a group or something because you're THF and they want a SWF.
EDIT: And even for the DPS tests, a good THF player with the right gear and build is going to out DPS a SWF who doesn't have a good build/gear/whatever. I'm a decent player, my SWF toon can solo most R6 without much issue, but there are a lot of players with THF builds who would just completely eclipse me in a DPS test.
Play what you think is fun. For 99% of player it's going to be good enough.
RayRay Ramone
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What am I missing? You max vistani but are a THF Falchion barbie.
Estravenne
Member
Thank you! That all makes perfect sense. What SWF build do you use?
I've used 17 barb 3 bard, 16 DL, 1 Rogue 3 Bard, and Pure pally. They're all about the same, if you plan on soloing the DL is hard to beat , but boss fights will be a little tougher, as well as fights where stuff is spread out.
If you're going to play at all with a group the Barb build will have more DPS. (Theses posts you might see saying DL builds are inherently " Top DPS" are...wrong. )
I should also mention that A) a lot of it comes from gear/ various PL's. (My main toons are both racial/class completionists with a decent number of Reaper points and EPL's) and B) a lot more of it comes from knowing the quests.
But again I wouldn't get hooked into asking (if that's what you are asking) "what's the best DPS build" .
Some of the best players I know play Rangers, (which seem oddly looked down on by a lot of players) because they like them. And their DPS with them will put most of the player base to shame. (Including me)
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Estravenne
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Thank you. Currently playing an 18 wizard/2 fighter hybrid damage, crowd control, bastard sword and shield build. Can solo R4, and is fun to play, but struggles a lot on higher content. Looking for options that are a little less insane. The 3 bard, hand axe builds are ones I really like but didn't want to shoot myself in the foot again by not being "more meta" and going for the falchion thf route. I appreciate the advice. I will definitely go in an swf direction.
Estravenne
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Got another question if that's okay. This build didn't seem to prioritise dr bypass very much. It had good dr bypass from GMoF. It then looks like it picked up Crystal in core 2 (that's the blue icon, right?) even though it already has crystal bypass from Meltscale on the Falchion. So from what I can tell, no Adamantine, Cold Iron or Silver dr bypass.
Up until now, I'd been operating under the assumption that these were pretty essential - based on something I read on DDO Reddit years ago. However, I noticed in the recent raid loot thread, people calling Metalline a "useless" ability. Is this because base damage is so high that dr reduction on mobs becomes irrelevant?
Thanks for any help on this.
Up until now, I'd been operating under the assumption that these were pretty essential - based on something I read on DDO Reddit years ago. However, I noticed in the recent raid loot thread, people calling Metalline a "useless" ability. Is this because base damage is so high that dr reduction on mobs becomes irrelevant?
Thanks for any help on this.
Spook
Ghostly Troll
DR bypass is situational it’s sometimes the most important ability but other times useless. If you only have 1 main weapon I recommend stacking it with as many DR bypasses as possible as 10d6 damage is negligible.
If you have the resources to min max DR breakers will be on swap weapons.
The person saying metalline is a useless affix is either an extreme min maxer or misinformed.
If you have the resources to min max DR breakers will be on swap weapons.
The person saying metalline is a useless affix is either an extreme min maxer or misinformed.
Tronko
Well-known member
Good question. Divine Power is one of the fourth-level spells that used to (or still can?) appear in randomly generated items. I have several bracers and goggles with 3 and 5 charges. Afaik there are no named items that have it.
Honestly, I can't tell you if it still drops (you could try trading antique bronze tokens) because I spend 99.9% of my time at cap and very, very rarely do TR.
Max bab is a significant issue for all splits that use rage and are forced to play in DC mantle even when the weapon isn't favored.
You can obviously use Divine Power clickies even under Madstone (unlike, for example, Tenser's scrolls). You need rage casting to use them while raged.
In my opinion, a more modern item (or long lasting clicky) to max out bab would be useful.
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That's interesting, I don't think you can get these any more, at least the wiki doesn't list "Divine Power" as an available suffix here: https://ddowiki.com/page/Suffix
Yeah further confirmation on the Antique Bronze Tokens page, it says in the bottom:
Yeah further confirmation on the Antique Bronze Tokens page, it says in the bottom:
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The Blonde
Catalogues Bugs
I can confirm that it's too low. You won't find it there or at the Chronoscope. I don't think you can get them anymore.
I might just have a bunch of legacy ones floating around, but I want to say I've pulled one in recent years somewhere......Cult of Six maybe? I'm pretty sure that's the highest level old-school chain reward list still available anyways......It could just be a fake memory, but that's the only place I can think of where it might be possible.
Edit: On further thought, possibly also Threnal. That's a bit higher than CO6 and also has an old-school end reward, I believe.
I may have to give that a try, thanks for the suggestion!
nenetteblackmoor
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I'm not sure if this is the right thread to post in, so please forgive me if it's not.
I'm looking for advice on how to maximize DPS as a THF, but specifically about playstyle rather than builds.
A lot of people talk about builds, but it's often unclear how to actually play effectively with those builds.
For example, in what order should I use my abilities to achieve high DPS?
Are there buffs I should apply beforehand?
What sequence of actions should I follow to get the best results?
These kinds of details don't seem to get discussed very often.
I feel like only players who are already deeply familiar with the game's mechanics can fully understand how to make the most out of a build just by looking at the numbers.
So, I'm struggling to figure out how to play in a way that boosts DPS as a THF.
For now, I’ve invested as much as I can into Melee Power and WStrike.
I’ve also maxed out Sneak Attack and Dice as much as possible.
Comparing the numbers from different builds helps me see where I’m lacking, but I can’t fully grasp why a particular build is strong or how to use it effectively without understanding all the game’s mechanics.
If anyone has any advice, I'd really appreciate it!
I'm looking for advice on how to maximize DPS as a THF, but specifically about playstyle rather than builds.
A lot of people talk about builds, but it's often unclear how to actually play effectively with those builds.
For example, in what order should I use my abilities to achieve high DPS?
Are there buffs I should apply beforehand?
What sequence of actions should I follow to get the best results?
These kinds of details don't seem to get discussed very often.
I feel like only players who are already deeply familiar with the game's mechanics can fully understand how to make the most out of a build just by looking at the numbers.
So, I'm struggling to figure out how to play in a way that boosts DPS as a THF.
For now, I’ve invested as much as I can into Melee Power and WStrike.
I’ve also maxed out Sneak Attack and Dice as much as possible.
Comparing the numbers from different builds helps me see where I’m lacking, but I can’t fully grasp why a particular build is strong or how to use it effectively without understanding all the game’s mechanics.
If anyone has any advice, I'd really appreciate it!